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Post by duckbarman on Feb 6, 2020 22:21:36 GMT
It's common knowledge that BOC only ever played three Imaginos songs live back in 1988/1989 (In the Presence/I am the One and Astronomy) but over the years various people have written to tell me other tracks off the record were played live - eg one guy swore blind you played Frankenstein at the gig he saw, whilst telling me that he was also completely out of his skull at the same gig - when I asked could his 'enhanced' state have affected his memory of the setlist played that night, he grew quite irate - fortunately, other attendees of that same gig were able to chime in and say that Frankenstein was not played at that show... plus, there's a reason why Joey C sings that particular song on the record, so it's clear to see why BOC didn't play that song live...
But my query concerns another song - "Ooh... Imaginos" - echoing the above example, I'm currently being told that at a particular gig in Winston Salem in 1988 BOC definitely performed "Imaginos" and apparently, because I wasn't there, I have no business suggesting that it's highly unlikely that they did...
So my query is this: do you have any recall of ever playing any other Imaginos song live outside of the three I quoted above...?
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Post by luxexterior on Feb 7, 2020 11:58:11 GMT
Probably doesn't help but I was at most of the gigs on the UK leg of the Imaginos tour & despite screaming for Del Rio's Song every night only the three songs you mention were played, I am the one worked always especially well I thought.
On a side note. I recently found Albert's Imaginos Demos on You Tube & while some of the vocals are not Albert's best (it's a demo/rough mix after all) it really is fantastic. The order & the additional songs make a huge difference. Would love to own a decent quality version of it.
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Post by Alessandro on Feb 7, 2020 17:13:26 GMT
like, somebody's sure they performed After Dark in Miami, April 1981, or Goin' through the motions in Wyoming October 1991...
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Post by duckbarman on Feb 7, 2020 18:47:41 GMT
On a side note. I recently found Albert's Imaginos Demos on You Tube & while some of the vocals are not Albert's best (it's a demo/rough mix after all) it really is fantastic. The order & the additional songs make a huge difference. Would love to own a decent quality version of it. I love those also... BTW: dunno if you've heard, but Albert's planning on doing an 'acoustically-challenged' version of the entire three volume Imaginos project as originally conceived, in the proposed correct order (I know it's a random access myth, but obviously you have to lay it down in a specific order initially)... he says "doing these songs kinda brings me closer to Sandy"... He played a few during rough rehearsal session on his last Origins show...
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Post by duckbarman on Feb 7, 2020 18:51:59 GMT
like, somebody's sure they performed After Dark in Miami, April 1981, or Goin' through the motions in Wyoming October 1991... I had a back and forth with a guy on FB once who said BOC played "Donovan's Monkey" during a specific 1990 show... he went ballistic when it was suggested he might possibly be mistaken...
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Post by James on Feb 7, 2020 21:14:24 GMT
BTW: dunno if you've heard, but Albert's planning on doing an 'acoustically-challenged' version of the entire three volume Imaginos project as originally conceived, in the proposed correct order. I’m excited that he’s taking this on though I’d love to hear this done properly with the full band and electric instruments. That said, I’ll be happy with anything.
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Post by luxexterior on Feb 8, 2020 17:19:03 GMT
On a side note. I recently found Albert's Imaginos Demos on You Tube & while some of the vocals are not Albert's best (it's a demo/rough mix after all) it really is fantastic. The order & the additional songs make a huge difference. Would love to own a decent quality version of it. I love those also... BTW: dunno if you've heard, but Albert's planning on doing an 'acoustically-challenged' version of the entire three volume Imaginos project as originally conceived, in the proposed correct order (I know it's a random access myth, but obviously you have to lay it down in a specific order initially)... he says "doing these songs kinda brings me closer to Sandy"... He played a few during rough rehearsal session on his last Origins show... Yes I had heard something. I understood that it was an acoustic version of the Imaginos "demos", which I guess would be volume one, played by Albert's acoustic trio AB3. I also understand that rehearsals are scheduled for next month prior to recording. Now while I'd prefer to have a decent quality version of Albert's full band demo I'm really excited by the idea of a new acoustic version.
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Post by Buck on Feb 12, 2020 13:36:04 GMT
I don't think we did any Imaginos song that wasn't sung by either Eric or me. Ever.
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Post by duckbarman on Feb 12, 2020 20:11:32 GMT
I don't think we did any Imaginos song that wasn't sung by either Eric or me. Ever. Cheers for that info - but I'm willing to bet the guy is still going to insist you're wrong and his memory is correct... if there's one thing I've learned whilst collecting all these gig recollections it's that a person cannot - and therefore shouldn't - rely 100% on their own memories of how such and such a gig went... the passage of time presses heavily on those memories and crushes them down under the weight of constant new experiences and, after a while, the different strata start to bleed into each other, and before you know where you are, you're convinced you saw, say, BOC opening for Zeppelin at the Eagle Rock Festival...
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Post by Alessandro on Feb 13, 2020 13:57:08 GMT
like, somebody's sure they performed After Dark in Miami, April 1981, or Goin' through the motions in Wyoming October 1991... I had a back and forth with a guy on FB once who said BOC played "Donovan's Monkey" during a specific 1990 show... he went ballistic when it was suggested he might possibly be mistaken... did they? oh, I wish they would... After Dark Donovan's Monkey Deadline Mes Dames Sarat Les Invisibles
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Post by luxexterior on Feb 13, 2020 18:42:15 GMT
I don't think we did any Imaginos song that wasn't sung by either Eric or me. Ever. Cheers for that info - but I'm willing to bet the guy is still going to insist you're wrong and his memory is correct... if there's one thing I've learned whilst collecting all these gig recollections it's that a person cannot - and therefore shouldn't - rely 100% on their own memories of how such and such a gig went... the passage of time presses heavily on those memories and crushes them down under the weight of constant new experiences and, after a while, the different strata start to bleed into each other, and before you know where you are, you're convinced you saw, say, BOC opening for Zeppelin at the Eagle Rock Festival... Now you mention it I think I was at that Eagle Rock Fest gig!
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Post by agent on Feb 14, 2020 17:09:58 GMT
I had a back and forth with a guy on FB once who said BOC played "Donovan's Monkey" during a specific 1990 show... he went ballistic when it was suggested he might possibly be mistaken... did they? oh, I wish they would... After Dark Donovan's Monkey Deadline Mes Dames Sarat Les Invisibles "You said you'd be here at a Quarter to Five"... DEADLINE
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Post by Buck on Feb 14, 2020 19:35:20 GMT
I think we might have played Donovan's Monkey at one point in the '90's or thereabouts, when the CD reissues were being considered.
Frankly, my memory is not reliable at this point. Without some factual prodding, I can't reliably dust off specific recollection of events that remain in the cardboard storage boxes of my mind.
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Post by duckbarman on Feb 15, 2020 5:14:09 GMT
I think we might have played Donovan's Monkey at one point in the '90's or thereabouts, when the CD reissues were being considered. When the question about "Donovan's Monkey" was first asked about a year ago, I recall EB saying that he had no memory of ever playing it but he asked you for a second opinion, and you told him that it could well have been "possible", as it rang a bell with you... But regarding the specific gig at which it was claimed it was played, well that lay right in the middle of the Rogers/Riddle period, so EB said he knew how to settle it, and got you to ask Jon Rogers... the answer later came back with "Ok. It's official. Jon Rogers never heard of the song." So, the question about whether or not that song was played at the gig in question was sort of resolved - it can't have been, if one of "the new guys" (obviously, I mean "new" in the context of the band as it was at the time) not only hadn't learned it, he'd never even heard of it... But any sense of resolution I might have had in making that conclusion over that particular gig was somewhat tempered by your thought BOC might have indeed played it somewhere, at some point "in the '90s"... This reminds me a bit of a discussion on Facebook a few months back over whether Cagey had ever been played live, as some guy said he saw it played in Las Vegas "back in the '70s", and Bolle said he must have been mistaken - he said it was "never performed Live by BÖC! Sandy Pearlman said it was never played, not even rehearsed for a live show, and GPG concurred who mixed it all." The guy replied, and I quote, "Your full of shit a--hole and you weren't there !" and he went on a bit like that for a while, then I chipped in to ask what was the venue exactly where he says this occurred and could he narrow down the year range a bit so I can examine the online newspapers etc for evidence, but, apparently, asking for clarification meant that I too was an "a--hole" (must look that up) and it all went on like that for a while... I'd seen this type of "discussion" a few times before and I'd more or less settled in my mind that the guy had probably been standing too close to somebody smoking some strong herbal substances... and then Albert threw a cat amongst the pigeons by contending that BOC DID play it live before the album came out - he thinks 73/74 and then they put the song on the shelf. He recalled it going over pretty well. That left Bolle a bit stumped... and me too, to be honest... but if Albert was correct, then that just goes to show that whenever someone makes what looks to be a highly unlikely assertion, then it's OK to be skeptical, but don't just dismiss it out of hand - try and verify it first... but at the end of that process, you're sometimes left with two diametrically opposed contradictory accounts and you're forced to come to an unsatisfactory bi-polar conclusion, where black is white and up is down... > Frankly, my memory is not reliable at this point. Without some factual prodding, I can't reliably dust off specific recollection of events that remain in the cardboard storage boxes of my mind.
Sadly, I think that's how it is for many of us these days... but I'm sure BOC fans would love nothing better than to have a good rummage through your mental "cardboard storage boxes"!! The challenge is going to be to come up with the best way to gain access to their doubtless bountiful archive via some timely "factual prodding"...
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Post by luxexterior on Feb 15, 2020 9:38:25 GMT
Personally I'd love to hear Cagey Cretins played live but after forty odd years of BOC gigs I have concluded that this won't happen, shame. In terms of audience recollections; I was at a BOC gig in the 1980's at the Victoria Hall Hanley (the band I think played here twice both during 1980's, I think it was the second time but wouldn't swear to it) & I got talking to a guy that was clearly a fan & he swore that he had seen BOC & the Pink Fairies play on the same bill at this venue in 1975. He could remember this clearly because the bands were so loud it actually made him physically sick . I pointed out that BOC hadn't played Hanley in 1975 & if he had seen them that year it was somewhere else, maybe Manchester. Also the support band he was thinking of was probably Motorhead & not the Pink Fairies (Larry Wallace was in both so easy mistake). But no he would not accept this the conversation became heated & he got so angry we almost came blows. The lesson here is as you say audience recollections can't be relied on & also never contradict a stoned mans beloved anecdote!
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