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Post by Buck on Apr 3, 2020 16:00:11 GMT
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Post by warrior21 on Apr 3, 2020 20:01:00 GMT
Very nice. However, in terms of "metal" records, I'd rank "Blue Oyster Cult", "T & M", or "Secret Treaties" ahead of "Agents". Especially "T & M". But nice to see recognition for the band.
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Post by duckbarman on Apr 3, 2020 20:11:14 GMT
AOF, though...? "Heavy metal" was already "built" by then... that's a VERY weird example to proffer...
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Post by Buck on Apr 4, 2020 5:39:28 GMT
Agree, it's like they included BOC just because.
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Post by frog on Apr 4, 2020 8:11:05 GMT
They seem to have a wide definition of Heavy Metal...
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Post by duckbarman on Apr 4, 2020 14:26:33 GMT
They seem to have a wide definition of Heavy Metal... You often see these sort of lists on the interweb, and it'll usually be Tyranny that makes the cut, and I think rightfully so, in that sort of context - that first album was probably too "transitional" in style to get a look in on such a list...
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Post by frog on Apr 4, 2020 14:57:31 GMT
I always thought T&M to be metallic, instead of Heavy Metal... It's hard, cold, shiny, in form and in substance.
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Post by duckbarman on Apr 4, 2020 15:52:36 GMT
I always thought T&M to be metallic, instead of Heavy Metal... It's hard, cold, shiny, in form and in substance. Dunno why, but people seem to feel more comfortable if they can classify music into certain genres and types, though, and "Heavy Metal" as a term is often applied to define that album - other times you see it deemed to be "proto metal"... I like your description though - Tyranny certainly seems like it's a crystallised distillation of all those things that Columbia/Krugman et al was reportedly expecting of them when they signed the band... it's definitely what I would call "focussed"... I think therefore that, because Tyranny would have been the easy answer to put on that list, as it has been on a number of previous ones, the compilers just thought they'd show that they were different, and put an unexpected - even inappropriate - example on there, maybe just to stimulate debate and discussion around their list...? If so, mission accomplished... :-) But for me, I just get lost when it comes to applying all the various standard labels to music - personally, I've never been able to pin BOC down to any one particular label - they just had so many different things going on: different styles, different singers and writers etc - and I suppose their diversity of output may have been a limiting factor in their overall level of recognition and success down the years...? To some people, BOC, overall, might have been seen as lacking focus because whatever box you tried to put them in, the lid would fly off and they'd just burst out... I mean, just run your eye down the tracks on AOF - what with Debbie Denise rubbing shoulders with Vampire Tattoos, True Confessions of Sinful Love and Don't Fear the Tenderloin - tell me how on earth would you classify that record...? Whatever potential answers you might come up with, I'd bet "Heavy Metal" wouldn't figure among them...
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Post by Buck on Apr 4, 2020 17:00:49 GMT
Heads up, the new album is gonna be even more varied than most of the legacy stuff.
BOC was never Heavy Metal. Sandy Pearlman sorta coined the phrase and touted it in our intial promotion and legend as BOC, but the young SWU/BOC always liked all kinds of music and it showed in our original compositions and arrangements.
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Post by frog on Apr 4, 2020 17:50:49 GMT
and now, the Gorilla in the room question. Buck, is it possible that the band tell the fans what the title will be, the tracklist, before the fans discover it in the news ? You know, we'd REALLY LIKE to know all that and to have sound snipets and other things...
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Post by eastmark on Apr 4, 2020 19:03:54 GMT
Ive always described BOC as Heavy Rock. The full mix varies wildly thankfully but in general.
I do listen to some Metal but dont really consider myself a true “Heavy Metal” fan. The majority of it feels shallow to me...(reckless generalization there) and for me the opposite in some ways compared to BOC’s more complex music.....for me.
As our friend Sam would say...Your mileage may vary.
So...just what is BOC’s heaviest songs ? Good question. Different for all of us. Black Blade and Monsters happened to play in the last hour as we hang home and play youtube on a random BOC mix. Pretty damn heavy...but there are heavier ones....See You In Black maybe ?
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Post by ericoyster on Apr 4, 2020 19:04:32 GMT
On that note Gerard, from listening to Planet Rock anyway, Skynard and Sammy Hager are putting new stuff out to ease the boredom of the current lock downs.....
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Post by pdiddy on Apr 4, 2020 20:44:12 GMT
Heads up, the new album is gonna be even more varied than most of the legacy stuff. I'm down with that. I hope there's something I can't live without and something where I go "what to hell were they thinking?!"
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Post by eastmark on Apr 4, 2020 22:52:29 GMT
Lips In The Hills ??
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Post by strigeidida on Apr 6, 2020 5:43:21 GMT
See, there's two reasons why BÖC will always be my favorite band.
1: I've never heard a BÖC song I didn't like. Take Agents of Fortune for example. (Don't Fear) the Reaper got a lot of attention, and justly so. But there are nine other songs and they're all worth listening to.
2: BÖC is too big to stuff and lock into a genre. Nosferatu is almost operatic. Redeemed is essentially country. Their range of style is astonishing. They've proved to me that the world is as wide as a person's mind, and I'm grateful to them for helping make it a little wider.
There aren't too many other bands that can match that.
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