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Post by CAPTAIN on Nov 8, 2020 22:13:13 GMT
secret treaties,secret treaties,secret treaties,symbol remains !!!!!!!
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Post by zenman on Nov 8, 2020 23:19:59 GMT
I agree with the "best album since FOUO" comment. Now, if I'm ranking their overall studio work: * Top rung: The first 3 "black and white" albums are essential and untouchable (ST, T&M and BOC, in that order). * Second rung: Agents and Spectres. * Third rung: CE, FOUO, Mirrors, TSR * Fourth rung: Imaginos, COTHM, HF, CN * Fifth rung: RBN So, TSR holds a very respectable and solid rank, at this point in time, and it may change, up or down, as songs become more familiar. I agree with your top three rungs Randy but RBN below CN? Really? Personally, I really like HF, some of the songs on there are as good as any on RBN and TSR. CN and RBN are my two "least favourite" BOC albums, with RBN bringing up the rear, so to speak, with only two decent songs (Take Me Away and Shooting Shark) and a bunch of less-than-decent songs. I rarely spin the albums in the fourth and fifth rungs, there's just too many clunkers compared to the other superior albums (imo, of course).
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Post by agent on Nov 8, 2020 23:33:17 GMT
The Symbol Remains, to me, Falls smack in the middle of FOUO and CE, no question, my Fave Period. My First BOC record was OYFOOYK, bonus to have the perfect album to clean Pot while listening. It may be Blasphemy, but ST is just a perfect album to me. I don’t think I’d try to turn a newbie initially with Cagey or COE. PLENTY of material to turn on others with on TSR. #DontHateMe :-)
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Post by zenman on Nov 8, 2020 23:42:18 GMT
My First BOC record was OYFOOYK, bonus to have the perfect album to clean Pot while listening. LOL, good old gatefold covers, very useful for horticultural work. I remember using Pink Fairies What a Bunch of Sweeties.
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Post by Buck on Nov 9, 2020 0:09:25 GMT
I'd remind people that the first three black and white albums didn't sell very well. Secret Treaties finally went gold after a few decades.
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Post by Alessandro on Nov 9, 2020 0:40:03 GMT
I'd remind people that the first three black and white albums didn't sell very well. Secret Treaties finally went gold after a few decades. artistic quality remains undisputed, though
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Post by zenman on Nov 9, 2020 1:41:04 GMT
I'd remind people that the first three black and white albums didn't sell very well. Secret Treaties finally went gold after a few decades. Buck, What was the dynamic between the record company and the band post-black and white and pre-Agents; did you feel an explicit directive to go in a different direction, or was BOC's growth process more organic and band-driven?
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Post by wrax on Nov 9, 2020 12:04:22 GMT
I'd remind people that the first three black and white albums didn't sell very well. Secret Treaties finally went gold after a few decades. Which frankly I find amazing!! I know I say this from the position of a fan-boy of nearly 45 years standing but ST and T&M at the very least should be in the collections of every serious fan of rock music and I don't understand why it's not. I've introduced people here in the UK (and in Germany) to BOC a whole bunch of times over the last 40 years. Most will only know BOC for Reaper (very occasionally Godzilla and almost never Burning For You as those last two rarely get UK rock radio play). And you know the tracks that always seems to resonate with these "BOC virgins" isn't Astronomy or Red and The Black or Hot Rails but The Subhuman and Quicklime Girl. I was just re-reading Dom Lawson's almost glowing review of TSR on Blabbermouth. I don't agree with all the sentiments expressed but I did like the last line of the review: "... easily the best BLUE ÖYSTER CULT album since 1988's "Imaginos", and a worthy entry point for anyone refusing to acknowledge the last fifty years. Which would be insane, obviously, but you know what people are like." Once they acknowledge it they become a fan.
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Post by frog on Nov 9, 2020 12:44:49 GMT
I'd remind people that the first three black and white albums didn't sell very well. Secret Treaties finally went gold after a few decades. quality vs quantity, always the problem when one is trying to make a living in arts, whatever the arts. i'd just say that ok, the three B&W albums did not sell very well, but it wasn't your job to sell the records. Your job was to make the art. (and I don't say Columbia did not do their job. I say it's really 2 different things, it depends on many many factors. well, from my point of view as a writer.)
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Post by luxexterior on Nov 9, 2020 13:06:13 GMT
I'd remind people that the first three black and white albums didn't sell very well. Secret Treaties finally went gold after a few decades. That's because you were ahead of your time . It always takes the rest of the world a while to catch up!
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Post by edog40 on Nov 9, 2020 15:05:59 GMT
Right now, TSR is my favorite of all time. It's reignited my desire to listen to earlier stuff, but mostly from Curst and Hidden. fight me
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Post by Alessandro on Nov 9, 2020 16:14:29 GMT
I'd remind people that the first three black and white albums didn't sell very well. Secret Treaties finally went gold after a few decades. quality vs quantity, always the problem when one is trying to make a living in arts, whatever the arts. there's only two ways to match quality and quantity, to sell and still maintain a, let's call it "artistic coherence" since "integrity" would be too strong. either you are a top group with an original sound (let's say The Police) or you're a great songwriter. if you're both, then you were a member of The Beatles
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Post by druid on Nov 9, 2020 19:41:02 GMT
The record companies in the 70's were generally OK with low sales for the first few records since artists were signed to multi-record contracts. These were development stages, much like rookies in sports teams.
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Post by The Ocean on Nov 9, 2020 19:59:10 GMT
Right now, TSR is my favorite of all time. It's reignited my desire to listen to earlier stuff, but mostly from Curst and Hidden. fight me It is certainly up pretty high for me. I clump it together with AOF, FOUO, Mirrors, and of course Secret Treaties.
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Post by The Ocean on Nov 9, 2020 20:00:13 GMT
Like, I cannot express enough just how much I think Mirrors is their most underrated album, and how several songs from TSR reminds me of that album's vibe.
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