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Post by luxexterior on Jan 31, 2021 14:24:19 GMT
Yeah Jules is a great drummer & probably the best since Albert but Albert still rules the roost!
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Post by The Ocean on Jan 31, 2021 16:15:50 GMT
Jules is definitely my #2 favorite BOC drummer and Albert is #1 to me. Not because he was first, but I think objectively his drumming is so incredibly intuitive and dynamic. I don't think saying Jules is second to Albert in any way takes away from how INCREDIBLE Jules is. Jules is seriously a phenomenal drummer. He's a better drummer than I am at anything I do lol.
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Post by druid on Jan 31, 2021 18:07:44 GMT
When it comes to BOC drummers it's an embarrassment of riches. Albert was the founding member, and he brought more than drumming. He was a key songwriter first, then a drummer. His style reflected working within the arrangement, and he was creative and tasty in how he played. Jules style is similar to Albert in that he adds a lot of flavor in his style and can groove to anything, and is his chops are the best of all the BOC drummers. And that is saying a lot! Jules, like Albert, has that certain quality missing in rock and metal: "swing". Which is what is found in jazz cats, and you know it when you hear it.
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Post by wrax on Feb 1, 2021 11:56:29 GMT
I never saw any of the BOC drummers live between 1986 and 2001 so of the five I've seen, Jules is definitely my #2. He may be a better drummer technically than any of the other BOC drummers I've seen but Albert will always be #1.
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Post by sirrastus on Feb 1, 2021 13:19:33 GMT
Riddle and Burgi were both great IMO.Burgi is an absolute monster-going back to Brand X when he took over for Phil Collins.Jules is great on the new record.
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Post by marty on Feb 1, 2021 18:25:46 GMT
Riddle and Burgi were both great IMO.Burgi is an absolute monster-going back to Brand X when he took over for Phil Collins.Jules is great on the new record. I’ve enjoyed all drummers for BÖC, but mainly on recordings. At the live shows, if I can hear the drummer, either they are up in the mix or I’m standing in the wrong spot. No offense against drums, I play, myself, but that’s just not what I’m there for. It would be like comparing side dishes at steak houses. I’m a meat and taters kinda guy. Um hmm.
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Post by edog40 on Feb 1, 2021 21:33:23 GMT
I wasn't 100% on Jules until TSR, then he surpassed all expectations.
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Post by The Ocean on Feb 2, 2021 4:20:24 GMT
Riddle and Burgi were both great IMO.Burgi is an absolute monster-going back to Brand X when he took over for Phil Collins.Jules is great on the new record. I’ve enjoyed all drummers for BÖC, but mainly on recordings. At the live shows, if I can hear the drummer, either they are up in the mix or I’m standing in the wrong spot. No offense against drums, I play, myself, but that’s just not what I’m there for. It would be like comparing side dishes at steak houses. I’m a meat and taters kinda guy. Um hmm. I'm very different. Granted, I've seen bands with pretty mediocre drummers and in that case, yeah I'd rather not hear them too high in the mix. But when the drumming is an integral part of the composition, I want it prominent. Iron Maiden without the drums would be pretty lame. The Cars.... might as well have a drum machine.
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Post by sirrastus on Feb 2, 2021 12:15:23 GMT
Usually at a show I don't really get much of the drummer-the live appreciation comes from watching tapes but sitting in the second row for the 40th it was great watching Albert really going for it on DFTR.
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Post by Buck on Feb 2, 2021 12:56:04 GMT
You can never accuse Albert of phoning it in.
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Post by frog on Feb 2, 2021 13:14:25 GMT
and Albert is #1 to me. Not because he was first, but I think objectively his drumming is so incredibly intuitive and dynamic.
Actually, I think it works for the 4 main BÖC instrumentists. "Incredibly intuitive and dynamic" is an accurate description for Albert, Allen, Buck and Joe.
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Post by The Ocean on Feb 2, 2021 16:56:59 GMT
and Albert is #1 to me. Not because he was first, but I think objectively his drumming is so incredibly intuitive and dynamic.
Actually, I think it works for the 4 main BÖC instrumentists. "Incredibly intuitive and dynamic" is an accurate description for Albert, Allen, Buck and Joe.
They are and were musicians of unimpeachable skill on their instruments. But I don't want to sell Eric short. Listening to those albums again (and lord knows I will listen to them all again relatively soon), Eric's vocals were ALWAYS on point. Goin Thru the Motions, Joan Crawford, After Dark, Astronomy and on and on. I know much attention has been paid to his voice losing its strength, but when I listen to those old albums I hear just what a strong starting point he came from. And on TSR, he sure as hell sings his ass off. The Alchemist? Holy shit, that's epic.
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Post by The Ocean on Feb 2, 2021 16:58:13 GMT
You can never accuse Albert of phoning it in. The drumming in that final chorus of Astronomy.... I wouldn't be surprised it he broke a few sticks beating the crap out of those drum heads lol.
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Post by frog on Feb 2, 2021 17:45:06 GMT
Actually, I think it works for the 4 main BÖC instrumentists. "Incredibly intuitive and dynamic" is an accurate description for Albert, Allen, Buck and Joe.
They are and were musicians of unimpeachable skill on their instruments. But I don't want to sell Eric short. I don't either. Eric was one of the best vocalists of the period. but he was indeed on point. he was exactly where you awaited him.
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Post by The Ocean on Feb 2, 2021 18:54:04 GMT
They are and were musicians of unimpeachable skill on their instruments. But I don't want to sell Eric short. I don't either. Eric was one of the best vocalists of the period. but he was indeed on point. he was exactly where you awaited him. I'd say he surprised me on a few first listens, even up to now. The Alchemist and One Step Ahead of the Devil were pretty revelatory for a singer in his mid-70s and mid-50s, respectively. He managed to be so soft in songs like Astronomy and so rough in songs like Seven Screaming Diz-Busters. It always amazed me. A band with four regular lead vocalists, one of whom could channel a wide range of textures and timbres.
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