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Post by duckbarman on Feb 3, 2021 6:02:00 GMT
Where’s that from, Ralph? That was an inset within a larger BOC article called "Imps of the Perverse" by Max Bell ["Record Collector" magazine March 2019]
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Post by frog on Feb 3, 2021 8:44:53 GMT
well, I'd really like to hear Buck's take about this...
pretty sure I'm not the only one.
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Post by luxexterior on Feb 3, 2021 10:16:06 GMT
MK is now just a sad & irrelevant f*#k. Shame really but who really cares.
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Post by duckbarman on Feb 3, 2021 13:06:31 GMT
Shame really but who really cares. Oh, I do - I found it a fascinating read, full of interesting bits and pieces, but you do have to view it within it's own special context. It's a bit like when you view a 3D film and you have to pop on your 3D glasses - with one lens blue and the other red... well it's the same sort of thing here, only the prescription on the lenses is a bit different - one lens is acrimonious and bitter and the other is somewhat twisted and vindictive...
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Post by frog on Feb 3, 2021 15:36:01 GMT
MK is now just a sad & irrelevant f*#k. Shame really but who really cares. I do !
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Post by sirrastus on Feb 3, 2021 22:47:45 GMT
I take offense to this ass knocking Eric and Allen.Back in the day(50's/60's) Billboards reviews would always give the lead singer credit for his or her "reading" of the lyric.I'd say that not only was E.B. an excellent singer of various styles but no one read a lyric better.His reading of the last part of Quicklime Girl to me is one of the best readings of all time.His "selling" of it was unreal. Allen wasn't Rick Wakeman but I love his keyboards and in many of the live versions of Astronomy for ex.his playing is as beautiful as anything anyone else has done.
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Post by The Ocean on Feb 4, 2021 1:44:51 GMT
I take offense to this ass knocking Eric and Allen.Back in the day(50's/60's) Billboards reviews would always give the lead singer credit for his or her "reading" of the lyric.I'd say that not only was E.B. an excellent singer of various styles but no one read a lyric better.His reading of the last part of Quicklime Girl to me is one of the best readings of all time.His "selling" of it was unreal. Allen wasn't Rick Wakeman but I love his keyboards and in many of the live versions of Astronomy for ex.his playing is as beautiful as anything anyone else has done. Couldn't agree more. Eric could always credibly perform any genre. From Diz Busters to Be My Baby
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Post by robreich on Feb 4, 2021 2:10:32 GMT
I can't remember which BÖC Facebook group I saw it in today, but David Lucas commented on Murray's difficulty remembering what actually happened. When someone asked "Who is Krugman?" his response was, of course, "Exactly."
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Post by Buck on Feb 4, 2021 3:49:29 GMT
now the truth is revealed. I thought it was Don Weller's publishing company and there you go it's MK still holding a looooong time grudge. this does not surprise me. I read another interview where he said some really nasty things about Allen MK _is _ Don Weller's music publisher. Not that Murray never had a good idea, he probably did. But it was mostly his falling out with Sandy P. that caused his exit. And his exclusion from the perceived BOC history probably irks him considerably.
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Post by The Ocean on Feb 4, 2021 4:19:04 GMT
But it was mostly his falling out with Sandy P. that caused his exit. And his exclusion from the perceived BOC history probably irks him considerably. So strange. He seems like such a nice and reasonable guy 😂🤣
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Post by duckbarman on Feb 4, 2021 11:12:36 GMT
now the truth is revealed. I thought it was Don Weller's publishing company and there you go it's MK still holding a looooong time grudge. this does not surprise me. I read another interview where he said some really nasty things about Allen MK _is _ Don Weller's music publisher. So... Don Waller is his "client"..? Well, that'd be Don Waller's estate now, I suppose... and MK has openly admitted in print that he deliberately nixed a deal that would have netted that estate a nice little lump sum in royalties...? And not based on any sound and reasonable grounds with their best interests in mind, but over a 40 year old perceived personal, petty slight... I think he should be reimbursing them out of his own pocket, in that case... hope someone lets them know how he's been behaving...
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Post by frog on Feb 4, 2021 12:32:07 GMT
MK _is _ Don Weller's music publisher. So... Don Waller is his "client"..? Well, that'd be Don Waller's estate now, I suppose... and MK has openly admitted in print that he deliberately nixed a deal that would have netted that estate a nice little lump sum in royalties...? And not based on any sound and reasonable grounds with their best interests in mind, but over a 40 year old perceived personal, petty slight... I think he should be reimbursing them out of his own pocket, in that case... hope someone lets them know how he's been behaving... yep, my feeling exactly. we need a lawyer's take on this ! Lauren ! where are you ?
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Post by luxexterior on Feb 4, 2021 12:55:01 GMT
I think most of what MK has said is petty, probably incorrect or just the irrelevant ranting of someone with a grudge. I think that Eric is more than capable of fighting his corner re MK's comments as indeed Buck would if they were aimed at him. However what really annoys me are the comments re Sandy P & Allen as they are both no longer with us & clearly can't rebuke the slurs, I find this cowardly & shameful. Mk's actions over Summer of Love are both stupid & petty.
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Post by The Ocean on Feb 4, 2021 13:25:34 GMT
So... Don Waller is his "client"..? Well, that'd be Don Waller's estate now, I suppose... and MK has openly admitted in print that he deliberately nixed a deal that would have netted that estate a nice little lump sum in royalties...? And not based on any sound and reasonable grounds with their best interests in mind, but over a 40 year old perceived personal, petty slight... I think he should be reimbursing them out of his own pocket, in that case... hope someone lets them know how he's been behaving... yep, my feeling exactly. we need a lawyer's take on this ! Lauren ! where are you ?
Hah! I don't think I could handle the stress of IP/copyright or entertainment law. There's a reason those people make the big bucks. I'd probably have less stress working on death row appeals lol
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Post by duckbarman on Feb 4, 2021 15:46:06 GMT
Just remembered something regarding this idea that MK was Don Waller's publisher...
A few years back, Kim Fowley got in touch because he wanted to set the record straight about how Summer of Love came about - here's the end bit of the info he sent, and yes, he did talk about himself in the third person:
Through Meltzer, Kim met Sandy Pearlman and Murray Krugman. Kim took Sandy and Murray and some of the band or maybe all of the band (?) to a wild party in Topanga Canyon. The party was thrown on top of a mountain by Louie Marvin, the millionaire playboy-heir of S & H Green Stamps. Not too much was remembered about the exact details of the party except there were Naked Women-Camels-llamas and lots of coastal fog. Kim remembers however that several of the cars almost went over the cliff it was so foggy.
During the drive to and from the party Kim told Murray about The Ratz who were from Tujunga California. Murray really wasn't interested, he asked Kim if he had any lyrics that BOC could put music too. Of course Kim said Yes, and invited Murray to come to his Condo the next day to see the lyrics for himself.
The next afternoon Murray rang the bell of Kim's condo, probably expecting to see Kim Fowley lyrics, instead Murray walked into a meeting Kim was having with Don Waller. Don was a rock contributor and a founding editorial staff member Of Back Door Man Magazine, Don was also lead singer of The Imperial Dogs.
Don had all his lyrics laid out on Kim's rug. Murray was ushered into the living room and saw lyrics on the floor. He fell to his hands and knees and began reading Don Waller's lyrics. When he saw "This Aint the Summer of Love" he grabbed the lyric and jumped to his feet.
Krugman then told a surprised Fowley and Waller and the rest of the room, that probably included a couple of The Runaways, that "Summer" was the exact lyric he was looking for.
Fowley then announced that he was half publisher and Waller was half writer and that he and Waller would be happy to share a platinum hit with the BOC co-writer and co-publisher.
The end result was: "This Aint The Summer of Love" was side 1, cut 1 of Agents of Fortune by BOC. Yes the record went platinum. Everybody involved became a billionaire.
It was easy. You should have been there...
So if he's right, Murray is only co-publisher - Kim Fowley's estate would surely own the other half..?
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