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Post by Alessandro on Feb 4, 2021 16:15:07 GMT
 following Kirth's musings, here's my contribution to the debate: in 1976 the song was originally published by Mastoid Music (first publishing company for Helen Robbins/Wheels before she started her own) on behalf of Albert and Bad Boy music (Fowley's pub. and prod. co.) on behalf of Waller (most likely because the lyrics were already copyrighted) and possibly MK, who was thus rewarded not only as additonal writer for both lyrics and arrangement/music, but also in the wake of his deal with Fowley and DW. what puzzled me at the time is that -while the Albert/Helen songs were published by BOCult songs AND Mastoid, in a joint ASCAP/BMI situation- SOL was just BMI and did not involve BOCult songs, so I figured out in my mind some sort of percentage agreement has been made between MK and Bad Boy/Fowley. later on -while BOC songs were sold by SP to ATV/Sony- the song's rights were instead acquired by Peermusic, which might or might not be the original sub-publisher. so it's puzzling me even more how MK might be involved in Peermusic, unless, as I write above, he was in control alongside Fowley of the original rights through an aforementioned possible private agreement. I'm surely missing some pivotal piece of the puzzle, though |
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Post by The Ocean on Feb 4, 2021 17:10:17 GMT
Am I wrong in assessing from this that Krugman only has a writing credit because he PICKED which lyrics would go to the band, and didn't write anything? I mean, an arrangement is an arrangement, but if I'm reading this right, it somehow makes an already epic-level pathetic asshole into an even BIGGER pathetic asshole, throwing a 45 year tantrum over a song he barely touched. I mean, if I'm wrong, he's still an asshole anyway lol.
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Post by Alessandro on Feb 4, 2021 17:32:14 GMT
Am I wrong in assessing from this that Krugman only has a writing credit because he PICKED which lyrics would go to the band, and didn't write anything? I mean, an arrangement is an arrangement, but if I'm reading this right, it somehow makes an already epic-level pathetic asshole into an even BIGGER pathetic asshole, throwing a 45 year tantrum over a song he barely touched. I mean, if I'm wrong, he's still an asshole anyway lol. reportedly, other than "buying" the concept from Fowley, he rewrote all the lyrics keeping just a couplet from the original, then suggested that Albert would steal the opening riff from a Third World War song and use minor chords. don't know how they split the rights between the three of them. he also received a credit as co-lyricist for "Boorman the Chauffeur" having only chosen the actual title for the chorus "that's the way it goes at those rock and roll shows" |
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Post by The Ocean on Feb 4, 2021 17:46:22 GMT
Am I wrong in assessing from this that Krugman only has a writing credit because he PICKED which lyrics would go to the band, and didn't write anything? I mean, an arrangement is an arrangement, but if I'm reading this right, it somehow makes an already epic-level pathetic asshole into an even BIGGER pathetic asshole, throwing a 45 year tantrum over a song he barely touched. I mean, if I'm wrong, he's still an asshole anyway lol. reportedly, other than "buying" the concept from Fowley, he rewrote all the lyrics keeping just a couplet from the original, then suggested that Albert would steal the opening riff from a Thirld World War song and use minor chords. don't know how they split the rights between the three of them. he also received a credit as co-lyricist for "Boorman the Chauffeur" having only chosen the actual title for the chorus "that's the way it goes at those rock and roll shows" If he completely rewrote it then credit earned I guess. He's still a colossal ass but fair enough lol |
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Post by edog40 on Feb 4, 2021 18:30:11 GMT
Am I wrong in assessing from this that Krugman only has a writing credit because he PICKED which lyrics would go to the band, and didn't write anything? I mean, an arrangement is an arrangement, but if I'm reading this right, it somehow makes an already epic-level pathetic asshole into an even BIGGER pathetic asshole, throwing a 45 year tantrum over a song he barely touched. I mean, if I'm wrong, he's still an asshole anyway lol. I blame societal abrasions that form electric static. |
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Post by The Ocean on Feb 4, 2021 20:28:22 GMT
Am I wrong in assessing from this that Krugman only has a writing credit because he PICKED which lyrics would go to the band, and didn't write anything? I mean, an arrangement is an arrangement, but if I'm reading this right, it somehow makes an already epic-level pathetic asshole into an even BIGGER pathetic asshole, throwing a 45 year tantrum over a song he barely touched. I mean, if I'm wrong, he's still an asshole anyway lol. I blame societal abrasions that form electric static. Gotta have a brain when you're workin' for the train, Edog |
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Post by sirrastus on Feb 4, 2021 23:13:18 GMT
Alan Freed took writers credit on a bunch of tunes he did no writing for back in the 50's .
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Post by eastmark on Feb 5, 2021 1:26:43 GMT
As always that Buck guy is a class act in his response.
I can guess what Id think and say if I were him knowing what I know.
.As a wise man once said...”just dont be an asshole,.. thats all”.
He was right.
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Post by markus on Feb 6, 2021 1:25:23 GMT
The SOBAK Council sub-groups - Bloomtastic and Lanierectomy - hereby sentence the transgressor to 535 lashes; such edgy language in this thread, very vibrant!
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Post by The Ocean on Feb 6, 2021 1:30:43 GMT
Bloomtastic and Lanierectomy 🤣😂 |
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Post by sirrastus on Feb 6, 2021 13:39:16 GMT
Considering the assholiness of M.K.'s comments I think the tone has been relatively subdued dude.
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Post by duckbarman on Feb 7, 2021 19:52:44 GMT
Well, all that notwithstanding, there's none can deny that it was actually Murray who was first out of that Eagle module - here's his most iconic image:  |
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Post by frog on Feb 7, 2021 21:47:04 GMT
You see those bullet holes in highway signs?
That was Murray
When you see a broken bottle of real fine wine
That was Murray
When a woman weeps at a window
And tears all shiny, black widow
Think of Murray, was done by Murray
Yes sirree, that was Murray
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Post by The Ocean on Feb 7, 2021 23:11:48 GMT
You see those bullet holes in highway signs? That was Murray When you see a broken bottle of real fine wine That was Murray When a woman weeps at a window And tears all shiny, black widow Think of Murray, was done by Murray Yes sirree, that was Murray 😆😅😂🤣 |
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following Kirth's musings, here's my contribution to the debate:
