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Post by duckbarman on May 3, 2022 11:09:30 GMT
That's pretty much the same as the "official" version on the old BOC site here: www.blueoystercult.com/Studio/lyrics/d-PW.htmlMost of the lyrics can be found there - the only exceptions are the "externally-written" songs from outside the BOC circle (songs by Halligan, Leggatt etc plus the covers, demos/outtakes, SFG tracks... oh, and Flat Out lyrics are absent also...) Caveat: I put quotes round "official" because even that source is not infallible... for example, Quicklime Girl with its "A harvester lifts his arms to the rain" vs. "A harvest of limbs, of arms and of legs", and "Duke's joint" vs. "juke joint" arguments etc But, generally speaking, you can trust it more than the user-submitted entries you find on the online lyric sites that exist purely to hit you with adverts...
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Post by Alessandro on May 3, 2022 14:42:55 GMT
although it's kind of off-topic, I felt obliged to remark that I'd favor Deadline over Ruins in the setlist any day
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Post by joe on May 4, 2022 2:21:13 GMT
That's pretty much the same as the "official" version on the old BOC site here: www.blueoystercult.com/Studio/lyrics/d-PW.htmlMost of the lyrics can be found there - the only exceptions are the "externally-written" songs from outside the BOC circle (songs by Halligan, Leggatt etc plus the covers, demos/outtakes, SFG tracks... oh, and Flat Out lyrics are absent also...) Caveat: I put quotes round "official" because even that source is not infallible... for example, Quicklime Girl with its "A harvester lifts his arms to the rain" vs. "A harvest of limbs, of arms and of legs", and "Duke's joint" vs. "juke joint" arguments etc But, generally speaking, you can trust it more than the user-submitted entries you find on the online lyric sites that exist purely to hit you with adverts... Yes, thanks for posting that the version I put out is basically the same as from the old BOC site! I noticed that later when I was cleaning up my gory spreadsheet of words. Glad you noticed. There is one line in the BOC site version that doesn't seem right. Near the middle of the song is the line "Across the curl unmarked by borders" where down towards the end it's "Across the curve unmarked by borders". My ears can't tell curve from curl, although I think I hear curve for at least the second one. A nitpick that probably doesn't matter. In any case if we pick the wrong word from both versions it would still be night and day closer than some other "stuff" out there. The things are "different" are basically irrelevant as far as interpreting the meaning of the song in my opinion.
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Post by Buck on May 4, 2022 13:54:36 GMT
It’s “curve.”
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Post by Buck on May 4, 2022 14:03:04 GMT
It’s “curve.”
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Post by joe on May 4, 2022 22:11:27 GMT
A Jim Carroll Class on Poetry and Music(relates to Perfect Water and BOC) Here is a link to the actual recorded audio of a Jim Carroll class at Naropa University on June 30, 1986 where he talks some about the development of Perfect Water and working with Blue Oyster Cult. The Perfect Water discussion starts at about the 10 minute mark. cdm16621.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/p16621coll1/id/600There is a written transcript of the class at: allenginsberg.org/2016/08/jim-carroll-workshop-1-2Search for Allen Lanier or Blue Oyster Cult to find the part I'm talking about. He talks about a lot of other interesting things and concepts. You musicians out there can probably relate better than I can.
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Post by joe on May 4, 2022 22:13:08 GMT
Thanks for the confirmation! Buck, you might enjoy the Jim Carroll Class post I just put out before this, if you haven't already heard it.
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Post by joe on May 5, 2022 1:10:17 GMT
On the subject of "I wonder what Jim Carroll was going on about....?", I've googled in the past to see if I can find any reference to Jacques Cousteau ever claiming to have heard "bells" - in random or, indeed, any order - whilst on a dive, but without success... apparently he's said to have once heard screaming whilst in an underwater cave, but nothing of a campanological nature... Here's a link to a question somebody asked as "What is Blue Oyster Cult referring to when they say Jacques Cousteau heard the bells in random order beneath water and it was on the radio?"
www.answers.com/Q/What_is_Blue_Oyster_Cult_referring_to_when_they_say_Jacques_Cousteau_heard_the_bells_in_random_order_beneath_water_and_it_was_on_the_radio
and here is a link to the "The Smile of the Walrus" episode referenced in the answer: It's a 48 minute video and I didn't have time to go down that rabbit hole to see what was in there. (added via edit: at just over 27 minutes in you hear bell sounds) Looks like a TV show from ABC network. Poetic license would allow changing something like "I heard on the television" to "Well it said on the radio" for the purpose of rhyming with "Cousteau". The video starts out with "An explosion of birds..." - wonder if the crazed bird reference is buried in there? I've stumbled on other articles where other deep sea researchers have reported underwater creatures making bell and other related strange sounds. I've long since forgotten where the articles are at. campanological: from "campanology - The study of bells and their casting, tuning, and ringing." Who would have thought that the study of bells would have a dedicated name.
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Post by Cheryl on May 5, 2022 17:58:10 GMT
Don't even get me started on Perfect Water, written -vs heard. Don't tell me that! That's another one of my favorites I listen to all the time. For now I have my own interpretation, right or wrong, of what the song's lyrics are trying to convey. And I'm happy with it. The "sound" of Perfect Water is so darn appealing to me that I don't think I want to screw it up by delving into the lyrics too much deeper. I might get an interpretation I don't like! Some songs I just like the way they sound even I don't have a clue about the content or meaning. Like back when I grew up with a cheap AM radio and picking out lyrics was impossible, for me at least. Joe, How about the Lyric Book/written I believe by Bolle Gregmar and Melne with what should be the correct lyrics as proofreading by both of them is a crucial part(Bolle has his bound book in the BÖCMÖC) . Just a thought on the actual words in an authoritative location.
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Post by marty on May 6, 2022 0:02:50 GMT
Official lyric book says “Here, but now THEY’RE gone”, so not even IT is absolute.
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Post by joe on May 6, 2022 2:14:13 GMT
Don't tell me that! That's another one of my favorites I listen to all the time. For now I have my own interpretation, right or wrong, of what the song's lyrics are trying to convey. And I'm happy with it. The "sound" of Perfect Water is so darn appealing to me that I don't think I want to screw it up by delving into the lyrics too much deeper. I might get an interpretation I don't like! Some songs I just like the way they sound even I don't have a clue about the content or meaning. Like back when I grew up with a cheap AM radio and picking out lyrics was impossible, for me at least. Joe, How about the Lyric Book/written I believe by Bolle Gregmar and Melne with what should be the correct lyrics as proofreading by both of them is a crucial part(Bolle has his bound book in the BÖCMÖC) . Just a thought on the actual words in an authoritative location. Cheryl, I found a possible reference to the book you mentioned on the hotrails site (BOC FAQ v3.3 Section 4 dated 2001). It says (I cut some parts out) "Bolle Gregmar has worked with the band to compile a complete "official" set of lyrics to all of the BOC songs. The lyric book is available to BOC fan club members. ................. Also, the lyrics have been posted to the band's official website ...." followed by "The BOC fan club had previously received legal permission to re-produce a limited number of copies of them in the lyric book, and now has done so for the website."
So it sounds like the book may no longer be available, but looks like the lyrics on the BOC website may be the same as the book. Maybe the book has some of the songs missing from the website?? I think this is basically what duckbarman implied earlier (thanks duck). Anyway, for what I'm looking for the website lyrics are good enough. Except Dancin' wasn't there... This thread has taken on a life of its own, starting essentially with a question about a few words in Dancin'. Then some parts of Perfect Water got cleared up even if the website version (that I forgot about - my bad) was essentially correct except for the "curve" word in one place. Essentially I've learned that the "unofficial online databases" can be terribly wrong. Not just a wrong word here and there, I get that, but whole phrases with a different meaning! Heaven Forbid if the admins ever stay up too late one night and add a whole new topic area like "Individual BÖC Songs - Lyrics and Interpretation"
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Post by ericvonha on May 6, 2022 11:42:13 GMT
"whole new topic area like "Individual BÖC Songs - Lyrics and Interpretation"
Doooo eeeeet.
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Post by ericvonha on May 6, 2022 11:43:09 GMT
Official lyric book says “Here, but now THEY’RE gone”, so not even IT is absolute. Will buy the book. Many pesos ready to be sent :-)
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Post by Cheryl on May 8, 2022 3:58:21 GMT
Official lyric book says “Here, but now THEY’RE gone”, so not even IT is absolute. Will buy the book. Many pesos ready to be sent :-) Back in about 2016 asking Bolle about these Lyric Books, and how maybe some of us less fortunate that did not get the original run could maybe get one. He then gave me his approval,permission and sent me his original pdf files to make some copies and then helping me to make them exact to the original specs including the black and red front and back covers.( not hardback). I still have a few copies.
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Post by zach on May 10, 2022 15:21:22 GMT
Will buy the book. Many pesos ready to be sent :-) Back in about 2016 asking Bolle about these Lyric Books, and how maybe some of us less fortunate that did not get the original run could maybe get one. He then gave me his approval,permission and sent me his original pdf files to make some copies and then helping me to make them exact to the original specs including the black and red front and back covers.( not hardback). I still have a few copies. Are any of those few copies you still have for sale? I'd definitely be interested.
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