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Post by joe on Oct 28, 2022 1:50:36 GMT
Article - Deep Purple / Blue Oyster Cult, Utilita Arena Birmingham, 25th October 2022
Article starts off: "Tonight, we have two rock legends playing, each band has a career that stretches 50 years, with various line-up changes both bands are as strong as ever. Up first tonight Blue Oyster Cult, WHEN it comes to iconic bands still on the go in the second decade of the 21st Century Blue Oyster Cult are among those that still stand tall, and still deliver live."
metalplanetmusic.com/2022/10/deep-purple-blue-oyster-cult-utilita-arena-birmingham-25th-october-2022/
DP gets a little more coverage, but all is positive! Photos of both bands on their webpage.
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Post by eastmark on Oct 28, 2022 2:08:21 GMT
Happy to hear it wasnt a DP guy. Thanks for clarifying that !
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Post by deegee777 on Oct 28, 2022 4:54:49 GMT
Don't blame Deep Purple! UPDATE to this thread.. This is one of those things that are generally not discussed publicly, and the whole discussion should stay here, so don't run and tell it elsewhere. It turns out.. The whole "Volume" thing about our UK dates, was NOT intentional on Deep Purple's part. Apparently, one of the system engineers on the PA company that did Purple's UK run, took it upon himself, and was the person responsible for the throttling of BOC's sound. When the promoter of the events, and Deep Purple were notified, by BOC management, Purple relieved the person responsible and allowed BOC to rock in a manor fitting with our history and pedigree, in the post Glasgow dates. They never intended to give us a hard time. Although DP was STILL 'WAY louder than BOC. I watched most of their set in Manchester, they were great, but if I didn't have my earplugs, I wouldn't have enjoyed it as much. Fact, I might have had to bail. You young folk, do you really want to hear a live concert that loud? Is that part of the experience, that you can't make it that loud at home? Thanks for the clarification. I did find it strange that this was happening when both bands appear to get on well with each other and have known each other for decades, hence why I mentioned it to you on Saturday. Never like to see anyone lose their job but not sure why the PA company guy took it upon himself to do that! Anyway it’s good that it was sorted amicably and yes Buck, they were loud but to my ears it was the clarity of the loudness that stood out, if that makes sense. I have been to gigs where I have been unable to hear for days after and had a constant whistling in my ears for about a week, namely Motörhead, Ted Nugent, Alice Cooper and many others. Deep Purple’s sound was not like that. There was a crispness and clarity to it along with the heavy feel. All in all it was a terrific double bill!
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Post by frog on Oct 28, 2022 7:56:38 GMT
Don't blame Deep Purple! UPDATE to this thread.. This is one of those things that are generally not discussed publicly, and the whole discussion should stay here, so don't run and tell it elsewhere. It turns out.. The whole "Volume" thing about our UK dates, was NOT intentional on Deep Purple's part. Apparently, one of the system engineers on the PA company that did Purple's UK run, took it upon himself, and was the person responsible for the throttling of BOC's sound. When the promoter of the events, and Deep Purple were notified, by BOC management, Purple relieved the person responsible and allowed BOC to rock in a manor fitting with our history and pedigree, in the post Glasgow dates. They never intended to give us a hard time. Although DP was STILL 'WAY louder than BOC. I watched most of their set in Manchester, they were great, but if I didn't have my earplugs, I wouldn't have enjoyed it as much. Fact, I might have had to bail. You young folk, do you really want to hear a live concert that loud? Is that part of the experience, that you can't make it that loud at home? each time I saw Deep Purple they were too loud.
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Post by deegee777 on Oct 28, 2022 11:41:47 GMT
Don't blame Deep Purple! UPDATE to this thread.. This is one of those things that are generally not discussed publicly, and the whole discussion should stay here, so don't run and tell it elsewhere. It turns out.. The whole "Volume" thing about our UK dates, was NOT intentional on Deep Purple's part. Apparently, one of the system engineers on the PA company that did Purple's UK run, took it upon himself, and was the person responsible for the throttling of BOC's sound. When the promoter of the events, and Deep Purple were notified, by BOC management, Purple relieved the person responsible and allowed BOC to rock in a manor fitting with our history and pedigree, in the post Glasgow dates. They never intended to give us a hard time. Although DP was STILL 'WAY louder than BOC. I watched most of their set in Manchester, they were great, but if I didn't have my earplugs, I wouldn't have enjoyed it as much. Fact, I might have had to bail. You young folk, do you really want to hear a live concert that loud? Is that part of the experience, that you can't make it that loud at home? each time I saw Deep Purple they were too loud. My ears have taken a battering over the years as I love my metal and thrash music as well so maybe I was the problem all along😝 Are you going to make any of the French gigs Gerard? What a time to break your shoulder!!
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Post by duckbarman on Oct 28, 2022 14:35:49 GMT
The very fact that the PA engineer took it upon himself to "limit" BOC's sound sort of suggests that he thought that was the behaviour expected of him, and in turn further suggests that this sort of thing is possibly still the norm, and that, therefore, nothing much has changed in general since George G's experiences - gotta make the headliner stand out from the 'also rans'...
I chuckled at Buck's "you young folk, do you really want to hear a live concert that loud?" comment... I've been gathering together as many newspaper reviews of BOC gigs as possible for years now, and I'd say the one unifying factor that the majority of the comments all seem to share (and this is especially the case during the earlier part of their career) is that BOC were "too loud"... sometimes when they were a support, that was even the totality of their coverage in the review... not sure if dialling it up to "11" was part of the actual BOC meisterplan or just how things panned out in the heat of battle...
When I was a kid, I did indeed want and expect the gigs to be loud, and you took it as a badge of honour that your favourite group was louder at a gig that your mates' group was last month, or whatever - the metric was that if you came away with your ears bleeding and your head ringing for days afterwards, you knew you'd had a good time... at the end of the day, in my experience, I think Ted Nugent probably would have taken the Decibel Crown... erm... had there been such a thing... of course, with his stuff, you don't lose anything by going loud, but with a band like BOC, a lot of the subtlety, nuances and the interplay and fill-ins with the keys etc etc gets drowned out from the audience's p.o.v... on a tangential note, that's why I've often wondered what it must have sounded like during that brief window when BOC were using their quad sound system...
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Post by javan on Oct 28, 2022 18:18:13 GMT
Volume is an important element of a live show -- but the *right* volume is critical, not just as much as you can.
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Post by deegee777 on Oct 28, 2022 18:48:27 GMT
The very fact that the PA engineer took it upon himself to "limit" BOC's sound sort of suggests that he thought that was the behaviour expected of him, and in turn further suggests that this sort of thing is possibly still the norm, and that, therefore, nothing much has changed in general since George G's experiences - gotta make the headliner stand out from the 'also rans'... I chuckled at Buck's "you young folk, do you really want to hear a live concert that loud?" comment... I've been gathering together as many newspaper reviews of BOC gigs as possible for years now, and I'd say the one unifying factor that the majority of the comments all seem to share (and this is especially the case during the earlier part of their career) is that BOC were "too loud"... sometimes when they were a support, that was even the totality of their coverage in the review... not sure if dialling it up to "11" was part of the actual BOC meisterplan or just how things panned out in the heat of battle... When I was a kid, I did indeed want and expect the gigs to be loud, and you took it as a badge of honour that your favourite group was louder at a gig that your mates' group was last month, or whatever - the metric was that if you came away with your ears bleeding and your head ringing for days afterwards, you knew you'd had a good time... at the end of the day, in my experience, I think Ted Nugent probably would have taken the Decibel Crown... erm... had there been such a thing... of course, with his stuff, you don't lose anything by going loud, but with a band like BOC, a lot of the subtlety, nuances and the interplay and fill-ins with the keys etc etc gets drowned out from the audience's p.o.v... on a tangential note, that's why I've often wondered what it must have sounded like during that brief window when BOC were using their quad sound system... Yip my first BOC gig was in Glasgow in April 1978. Still my favourite gig of all time by any band. The lasers were the talking point but my memory tells me my ears were ringing for several days after it. ‘‘Twas loud!!
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Post by joe on Oct 29, 2022 2:47:50 GMT
My single bit of advice to everyone here going to any rock concert is to TAKE A PAIR OF EARPLUGS WITH YOU! You may never use them, but it's better to have a pair and not need them than the other way around. They're cheap.
Also, if you find yourself at one where it's really too loud, some venues will give you a pair for free or sell at a low price. I found that out the hard way. I was at one where my eardrums were apparently pressed in as far as they would go 100% of the time. I couldn't hear a single word or single instrument. I had plugs back at the hotel across the street, but once you leave you can't back in. So I watched the concert with my fingers crammed up in my ears almost the whole time. On the way out one of the hostesses asked me if I enjoyed the concert I told her about the sound. She said why didn't you ask - we give them out for free. Now you tell me. FYI this was a "me" problem, not the band's or the sound engineer's. My wife said the sound was fine.
So YOU may never know what you're getting into sound-wise at some concert. Spend the few bucks (no pun on "bucks" intended).
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Post by Espo on Oct 29, 2022 4:11:39 GMT
Like most of the folks here I believe, I have been to hundreds of concerts, clubs Etc. The only one I can remember that was too loud was Santana at the Cape Cod Coliseum in the early eighties. It was so loud that Carlos actually stopped the show and told the sound guys to turn it down because the first 20 rows people had their hands covering their ears.
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Post by joe on Oct 30, 2022 2:24:51 GMT
Since this IS supposed to be "Buck's Tour Diary", I saw this just added to the official BÖC schedule: Aug. 26, 2023 Nottinghamshire, UK Stonedead Festival "On Tour Forever"
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Post by andrewm on Oct 30, 2022 20:42:24 GMT
Bit late, but hey. I made the first 3 shows the last being the O2 DP show. Some great venues and I had a wonderful time. Well done. The only controversy I was aware of was the discussion about whether there was or was not a fox running around inside the O2 (but outside the auditorium)
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Post by Buck on Oct 30, 2022 23:34:51 GMT
I don't see many other acts in concert these days, at least in huge venues. Where I live there's fortunately a small club that gets many national acts (including BOC, historically) on a regular basis. I saw Clapton at Madison Square Garden a few years ago, and he wasn't too loud.
Having seen Billy Idol and Deep Purple in UK arenas we played, they were both too loud for me, without earplugs. WITH earplugs, they were enjoyable. I was well in the back of the Purple venue, and fairly close to the stage on the floor for Idol.
Then again, I don't attend movie theaters much anymore, because I have a huge TV and sound system at home, AND I think movies are too loud most of the time.
Understand, when I'm performing, my in-ear monitors ARE pretty loud, but they're not TOO LOUD, if I can help it. AND, I have a volume control.
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Post by soonerbillz on Oct 30, 2022 23:56:51 GMT
Buck do you feel a big difference touring overseas now compared to years past? I've never been to that part of the world but imagine there would be a some strangeness to there vs the states.
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Post by Cheryl on Oct 31, 2022 5:44:08 GMT
I don't see many other acts in concert these days, at least in huge venues. Where I live there's fortunately a small club that gets many national acts (including BOC, historically) on a regular basis. I saw Clapton at Madison Square Garden a few years ago, and he wasn't too loud. Having seen Billy Idol and Deep Purple in UK arenas we played, they were both too loud for me, without earplugs. WITH earplugs, they were enjoyable. I was well in the back of the Purple venue, and fairly close to the stage on the floor for Idol. Then again, I don't attend movie theaters much anymore, because I have a huge TV and sound system at home, AND I think movies are too loud most of the time. Understand, when I'm performing, my in-ear monitors ARE pretty loud, but they're not TOO LOUD, if I can help it. AND, I have a volume control. Movie theaters are always way too loud. I haven’t been to one in years. I just wait and then watch at home where they are perfect. Daryl Maxwell and I were at a BÖC gig recently and the monitor on stage was so loud right in front of us I used one ear plug! Hah.. Our videos came out good tho!
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