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Post by soonerbillz on Nov 1, 2022 12:50:01 GMT
In my readings I came across this lovely review of Secret Treaties and BÖC in general. 48 years later, wonder how he feels now? wp.me/p4gtEN-1k9
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Post by deegee777 on Nov 1, 2022 14:42:14 GMT
Well for one he is dead now, died last November. To trash an album like that is bewildering but in a way I can understand, to an extent. I love rock, metal and thrash but plenty of bands in those categories that I can’t stand.
His comment that he wonders how long they will last is funny though, considering they are now in their 50th year and playing to sell out crowds across Europe!!
If you wanted favourable UK reviews of BOC from the 70s onwards in the British press you really shouldn’t look past articles by Xavier Russell, Sandy Robertson and the mighty Max Bell!!
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Post by Buck on Nov 1, 2022 17:05:09 GMT
Amusingly, his take on "Secret Treaties" is, it's weaker than the first two records. He compares his impression of BOC with the hype on the band. I never thought the hype accurately described what we were, much less what we've become today.
I think you'd have to give BOC a decent listen to understand why you might like us. Did any of you get convinced on the first cut you heard?
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Post by deegee777 on Nov 1, 2022 17:25:53 GMT
Did any of you get convinced on the first cut you heard? Funnily enough with BOC the answer is yes!! I was struggling to find a real band to follow after Jim Morrisons death (was a huge Doors fan, still am) Had never heard of BOC until I read Max Bell’s review of OYFOOYK where he mentioned similarities to the Doors. That immediately brought the band to my attention! Pretty sure the album was released in the UK on the day of my 21st birthday, so decided to use some of my birthday money to purchase it. Never regretted that decision. The minute I had heard the first 30 seconds of The Subhuman I was hooked….and here I am 47 years on!!
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Post by The Ocean on Nov 1, 2022 18:00:32 GMT
Did any of you get convinced on the first cut you heard? First cut I heard was DFTR. Did I get convinced? You bet! Second cut was This Ain’t the Summer of Love (bought AOF after hearing DFTR and started playing it right away. Was I further convinced? Oh I was HOOKED. Then I got FOUO and then Secret Treaties. None of the three sounded like each other which made me just want to hear more and more and more.
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Post by wildblue025 on Nov 1, 2022 18:16:12 GMT
Hate to admit it, but it took me several hundred cuts.... My dad is a BOC Superfan since 72', so I grew up with a natural disdain for BOC as uncool old guy music that he played too loud in the car. Then in my mid-teens I began broadening my horizons from the bands of the 2000s like Foo Fighters and Queens of the Stoneage (whom I liked but felt like there was something missing). Not sure if/when when I had the proverbial AHA moment, but it was cool listening to all the songs I had snubbed my nose at as a kid and appreciating how much they rocked. Definitely made his day when I told him I wanted in for the next BOC show at the Chance.
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Post by marty on Nov 1, 2022 18:31:22 GMT
Did any of you get convinced on the first cut you heard? First cut I heard was DFTR. Did I get convinced? You bet! Second cut was This Ain’t the Summer of Love (bought AOF after hearing DFTR and started playing it right away. Was I further convinced? Oh I was HOOKED. Then I got FOUO and then Secret Treaties. None of the three sounded like each other which made me just want to hear more and more and more. I had to listen to every BOC record several times before I really liked it, except Club Ninja, which I loved from first listen. As for BOC, in general, I was convinced upon listening to Bucks Boogie, in 1973, the first time, but had been listening to the first record for a year without really knowing who they were. Once I knew they were THAT band (the one from Guitars That Destroyed The World) we ran out and bought Tyranny and Mutation, but it took a few listens to put it on the same level as Bucks Boogie. As for Treaties, I’m somewhere in the middle. I disagree with that review, but I don’t place it as the Everest of the canon. Maybe Denali. Did you know Denali is nearly 6000 feet taller than Everest, measuring just the peaks?
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Post by deegee777 on Nov 1, 2022 19:40:24 GMT
Hate to admit it, but it took me several hundred cuts.... My dad is a BOC Superfan since 72', so I grew up with a natural disdain for BOC as uncool old guy music that he played too loud in the car. Then in my mid-teens I began broadening my horizons from the bands of the 2000s like Foo Fighters and Queens of the Stoneage (whom I liked but felt like there was something missing). Not sure if/when when I had the proverbial AHA moment, but it was cool listening to all the songs I had snubbed my nose at as a kid and appreciating how much they rocked. Definitely made his day when I told him I wanted in for the next BOC show at the Chance. I took my son Marc to his first BOC gig when he was 12. He has seen them all over Europe and the US including the fans show in Hoboken. He was there in Glasgow last Saturday as well at the age of 30! It’s a nice feeling when your son loves your favourite band! He is maybe not a superfan but BOC has a special place in his heart!
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Post by duckbarman on Nov 1, 2022 21:28:32 GMT
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Post by frog on Nov 1, 2022 22:33:42 GMT
it took quite some time, several months indeed.
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Post by agent on Nov 1, 2022 22:40:12 GMT
Amusingly, his take on "Secret Treaties" is, it's weaker than the first two records. He compares his impression of BOC with the hype on the band. I never thought the hype accurately described what we were, much less what we've become today. I think you'd have to give BOC a decent listen to understand why you might like us. Did any of you get convinced on the first cut you heard? I heard Cities On Flame on the radio when I was 12. I remember how distinct it sounded. But I didn't go Full BOC until On Your Feet came out. I wish I could go back to watch that germination. I do remember once I acquired the Black & White albums, I seldom listened to OYFOOYK. Luckily, OYFOOYK Gatefold doubled as a Cleaning Tool :-)
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Post by deegee777 on Nov 1, 2022 22:46:12 GMT
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Post by eastmark on Nov 1, 2022 23:15:39 GMT
DFTR led me to Columbia Records 8 albums for a dollar picking AOF. Loved it immediately….and started backfilling the BOC catalogue right away.
It was a race amongst my best friends to buy and learn the BOC “old stuff”. Haha
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Post by joe on Nov 2, 2022 3:01:07 GMT
Amusingly, his take on "Secret Treaties" is, it's weaker than the first two records. He compares his impression of BOC with the hype on the band. I never thought the hype accurately described what we were, much less what we've become today. I think you'd have to give BOC a decent listen to understand why you might like us. Did any of you get convinced on the first cut you heard? Like many, DFTR was my first exposure to BOC. I was immediately hooked on that song, but knew almost nothing about BOC itself. I never really followed any band, and most of what I listened to was on the radio, and if I liked it I turned the volume up. If I didn't I pushed the "..this sucks, change it." button. The more hits a band had on the radio the more they were in the news and the more I knew about them. At parties and work no telling how many BOC songs I heard that I liked or didn't. And the sound of BOC tunes are very different from one to another, while some other band's sound is relatively the same from song to song. You had a couple songs that played on the radio regularly that I liked - and I was really surprised to find out they were BOC! I didn't really get into BOC as a whole until maybe 5 years ago. It started with me playing the studio version of DFTR almost every night on YouTube. The constant image of the magician on the screen, even though she really liked the song, started giving my wife the crawls, or whatever, for some reason, so the more she wanted it gone the more I played it!!! Then I found the Long Days Night live performance of DFTR and that was basically what got us both really interested in BOC as a band. So we started seeking out more and more live or studio tunes. One by one we had a mental list of ones we really liked or didn't like. Yes, ALL bands have songs I don't like so don't feel bad! Then we started taking a closer listen and some moved from the dislike list to the like list. Once we figured out what more were about and the more live versions we saw, more moved to the like list. So at some point we decided we wanted to see you guys live in person. Then we saw videos of you guys touring in our general area. We found out too late about the first two or three shows in driving distance, but I told the wife the first one I saw halfway close I was buying tickets instantly without even checking what else was going on around here - or getting "permission". And that worked out VERY well. After that we started moving more to the like list. I left a LOT of details out, but you get the picture. So to answer your question after all that, there were a lot I/we weren't convinced on the first cut we heard. We now each have our list of "favorites", but are still looking for more to add to the like list. And yes some are still moving that direction. So in 5 years I've gone from 1 song on my "really like list" to about 20+. And probably about 10 "in-progress". Need a few more cuts and understanding on those. And there are some I haven't even given a listen to yet at all. Could be some hot ones down in those deep cuts!
FYI: Our like list isn't from one particular album or time frame - they are spread around.
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Post by Espo on Nov 2, 2022 4:08:37 GMT
Like a lot of people here my first introduction was Reaper also. It was when it first came out as a single on the radio which meant no mid-section solo. My brother went and saw them live and came home with on your feet on 8 track. I would hear him blasting it in his bedroom and last days of May absolutely hooked me. I've never heard anything so hauntingly beautiful and I think I still haven't. I have the entire boc catalog and a couple of pretty cool bootlegs and on your feet will always be my fave.
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