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Post by delclayman on Nov 16, 2022 1:28:18 GMT
Buck, I have perused a few of Popoff’s publications on BOC. I have wondered what you or the bands take is on his accuracy and his point of view of BOC? Thoughts?
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Post by marty on Nov 16, 2022 1:41:54 GMT
The black and white period was full of more weirdness than the rest of the canon, IMO, but it was a weird time, really, I was in junior HIGH, so there was that, most things were weird, especially me, us. wonderfully weird. Wasn’t that what hooked us, to begin with, the guitars wrapped around unintelligible lyrics, layered, headphone marvel? so I think we have a different definition or weird, happening, here. To me, weird means unusual in a hard to explain way. So, Workshop of the Telescopes is weird. Dance on Stilts, not so much. “You elevate me” not weird. Silverfish Imperitrix salamander drake? Weird AF.
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Post by duckbarman on Nov 16, 2022 2:27:54 GMT
So, Workshop of the Telescopes is weird. With Pearlman, I never thought it was a case of being "weird" - I just thought his lyrics were densely arcane, operating way above my knowledge level and understanding... But with Meltzer, though, I don't think "weird" covers it... Blow away, Grow away, Throw your lousy dough away Watchin sideburns growing - gettin' lengthier than the hay I'm a magic man with a magic plan In a royal exclamation, I'm the Royal Duster Dan
When you pull the string I'm just another favorite toy But spend your time with candy and your dentist gets annoyed
When I am a stooge it never fails to fail to fail Sit me on a toy stool I want the sand that's in your pail and a boat that sails
If I was a realie I'd want a scad of fester sores Got none now but then I'd want a million hundred more
Scaffold on the wrist It does the same thing as a tape For broken wrist the treatment Vitamins that have the shape of a busted grape
Ragamuffin, Tagamuffin, Sour dough ruffin muffin Desperation jargon spittle-powered by a cork I'm the magic man with a magic plan In an awesome thunderbolt, I'm the Royal Dumpling Stan
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Post by joe on Nov 16, 2022 3:04:47 GMT
When it comes to music, weirdness is in the ear of the beholder.
What is "weird"? From some online dictionaries and such I came up with this "weird" list (no particular order):
strange, odd, unusual, bizarre, ghostly, mysterious, queer, unearthly, eerie, grotesque, supernatural, unnatural, far-out, uncanny, spooky, creepy, outlandish, freakish, curious, eccentric, erratic, peculiar, quirky, kooky, screwball
Doesn't just about every BÖC song match at least one in the list above? I heard that was a requirement... :)
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Post by Espo on Nov 16, 2022 3:56:03 GMT
I've always felt the line "In this day of flaccid plumage" from Golden age to be weird/strange. However I do use it!
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Post by javan on Nov 16, 2022 3:56:16 GMT
I love Ragamuffin Dumplin. I can definitely hear Uncle John's Band in Redeemed. Diz-Busters is near the top of the weird. There's only 1 song from Transmaniacon through Don't Turn Your Back that I don't care for. I kinda like "Beat 'Em Up". What can I say? Not everybody cooperates. Morning Final is not weird.
Here's a weird one: In college photography class I did a project on the theme of Mirrors (the song). I played the song during my turn to display and everyone kept looking around for a telephone, as if part of the effect in it is a phone. That was weird. Maybe there is.
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Post by pacnw on Nov 16, 2022 17:25:36 GMT
Popoff said the solo on Madness to the Method was Lifeson-esque (not his exact words). I sort of hear it if referenced to RUSH's Signals record. It is a bit like the solo breaks on Chemistry or The Weapon.
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Post by The Ocean on Nov 16, 2022 19:00:19 GMT
I’m not sure what his definition of weird is here because it seems to shift from “out of character for BOC” to “strange in general.”
Because if you go by the definition of strange then that was BOC’s bread and butter for the longest time, so finding the MOST strange songs seems like a fun exercise.
If you go by out of character… they worked in so many genres that it to me it doesn’t count as out of character unless the performance IN that genre lacks credibility or isn’t pulled off. Id say BOC performed songs like Be My Baby with the same skill as they did Seven Screaming Diz Busters.
I would think the only time you could say BOC was truly out of character were represented in Beat Em Up since Bob Halligan’s songs down to their core just can’t be made good. He wrote Some Heads are Gonna Roll for Judas Priest and… it isn’t their best. He’s just not a good songwriter.
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Post by The Ocean on Nov 16, 2022 19:02:44 GMT
I love that Cagey Cretins made the list and is making the rounds on the setlists now. I’m surprised Deadline made the list but Monsters didn’t. That one is delightfully strange and makes me think of 21st Century Schizoid Man with the jazz breaks.
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Post by markus on Nov 17, 2022 0:07:32 GMT
I've always felt the line "In this day of flaccid plumage" from Golden age to be weird/strange. However I do use it! Bruce Abbot's original lyric did not use flaccid but a very, very politically incorrect word that our host wisely, and with great cultural insight, changed to something more acceptable.
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Post by javan on Nov 17, 2022 1:01:10 GMT
Monsters is definitely a weird song as is The Marshall Plan (which I like and fits on CE). Let's see, Joan Crawford should be there.
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Post by jeff on Nov 20, 2022 22:44:12 GMT
The arcane, poetic lyrics were part of what initially drew me in. I read a review/summary of the first album when it came out in '71 or early '72 (can't remember exactly that far back) and ran out and bought it. It was the music first and foremost, but the lyrics definitely helped to differentiate the band from everyone else. There's a few that my wife will skip past when traveling in the car, like Let Go, Debbie Denise, Going thru the motions, maybe a few others. I guess you could call some weird, but weird can be good. To many people, anything not mainstream is weird. Sandy P. and the band wrote/write amazing stuff.
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Post by Buck on Nov 22, 2022 4:37:16 GMT
I love that Cagey Cretins made the list and is making the rounds on the setlists now. I’m surprised Deadline made the list but Monsters didn’t. That one is delightfully strange and makes me think of 21st Century Schizoid Man with the jazz breaks. "Monsters" may have been Albert's most ambitious creation in the bombastic story realm. We were down with trying to make it happen.
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Post by The Ocean on Nov 22, 2022 23:50:35 GMT
I love that Cagey Cretins made the list and is making the rounds on the setlists now. I’m surprised Deadline made the list but Monsters didn’t. That one is delightfully strange and makes me think of 21st Century Schizoid Man with the jazz breaks. "Monsters" may have been Albert's most ambitious creation in the bombastic story realm. We were down with trying to make it happen. Did he have the whole thing sketched out or was there a lot of experimenting to get it right? That riff at the two minute mark feels like it could be a Buck creation, with that little chromatic bit near the end.
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Post by marty on Nov 23, 2022 4:31:21 GMT
Love the false outro riffing during the monsters chant
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