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Post by duckbarman on Feb 8, 2023 20:15:04 GMT
Buck - dunno if you have any knowledge in this area, but for a long time it's bugged me that we have so much conflicting info regarding release dates for BOC LPs. A while ago, I got into a conversation with Bolle over this - specifically regarding the notion that, back in the 70s, Mondays was the standard U.S. release date for LPs - "Monday at Midnight". This discussion was prompted by the fact that BOC's wiki pages for the first 2 records say these were the release dates: Sun 16 Jan 1972 for BOC Sun 11 Feb 1973 for T&M Nobody I've quizzed over this believes that LPs were EVER released on a Sunday, yet everyone continues to quote those two dates mentioned above. So I'm wondering if Buck remembers anything about the idea that BOC's LPs came out on the same weekday (i.e. Monday) each time... or not...? BTW: I've come across lots of incidental dating evidence over the years, but the most concrete one was the following Tyranny entry in the "Catalog of Copyright Entries - Sound Recordings, Jan-June 1973)":  This has the LP being copyrighted on 16 Feb 1973 - a Friday! I would have thought that you'd register the copyright to tie in with the same release date, otherwise you might get problems. I wondered about this Friday thing - and checked the 2 other BOC-related releases listed in that Jan-June 1973 Copyright book and found these: "Tyranny & Mutation" - Quad Version - copyrighted on Friday 22 June 1973 "Guitars that Destroyed the World" - copyrighted on Friday 27 April 1973 So it looks like, back then at least, Friday was the standard Copyright Day in the US, but was it also Release Day...? |
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Post by Buck on Feb 8, 2023 20:37:41 GMT
Ralph, never gave it much thought. I think Columbia maybe had a traditional day of the week for new releases, but I couldn't tell you if they did. As for our end, it wasn't finished 'till it was, and when we finished a record, with art, credits, etc. they put it out as soon as the test pressings were approved, and they manufactured the first run of disks, cassettes, CD's whatever.
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Post by duckbarman on Feb 8, 2023 20:41:56 GMT
I think Columbia maybe had a traditional day of the week for new releases, but I couldn't tell you if they did. OK, cheers - I thought it was worth an ask, anyway. But do you agree that whatever day of the week it was, it would NOT have been a Sunday...? |
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Post by Buck on Feb 8, 2023 20:46:06 GMT
Could have been a Sunday. Record stores were open, the major chains anyway. Not even sure if Columbia waited until the stores were stocked to announce. Although for established artists, I'm sure they would so fans could rush out and buy the latest from their favs.
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Post by joe on Feb 9, 2023 4:21:27 GMT
Long time since I dealt with copyrights, and wasn't for music recordings. I get trademark and copyright rules mixed up. I seem to remember that there was "copyright date", "publish date", and "application date (or approval of copyright)" I don't think that the copyright date is necessarily the same as the publish date or release date. This may or may not be of interest, or point you to something else helpful. This page probably is for the new rules however I don't know what changes were made. www.copyright.gov/engage/musicians/They have a Voyager lookup system. I found a 2005 renewal date for T&M buried in there. I tried to copy the link but wouldn't paste. |
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Post by marty on Feb 9, 2023 21:29:52 GMT
The record store released the early albums on a Tuesday, we had to skip school to get them before they sold out, and the store opened at 10 am. The last record I remember hearing advance info about was SEE, and I bought it the same day as Time Passages, on a Sunday. My hunch is that official release dates were Sunday, but the record stores didn’t sell them until Tuesday.
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Post by ericvonha on Feb 11, 2023 15:55:31 GMT
Eddie Trunk needs to weigh in  |
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Post by joe on Feb 12, 2023 3:47:43 GMT
Now they have "Global Release Day" ("New Music Fridays") en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Release_Day"Global Release Day (alternatively known as New Music Fridays) is a set international day for releasing of music singles and albums. The new global release day went into effect on 10 July 2015 in more than 45 major recorded music markets worldwide with new music being released on a Friday as part of 'New Music Fridays'." Also you can take a look at: www.billboard.com/music/music-news/global-release-day-launch-set-for-july-6591060/as well as dozens of websites giving bits and pieces of the history of picking Friday, the praise, criticism, and every other thing you can think of. |
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Post by duckbarman on Feb 12, 2023 5:28:31 GMT
When I first started researching my BOC LP release date page, all the sources I came across on the subject said that record release days in the US had been standardised thusly:
Pre-1989: Mondays were the standard release day for new LPs in the U.S.
After 1989: This switched to "Tuesdays at midnight"
2015: Changed to Fridays at midnight ("Global Release Day" a.k.a. "New Music Fridays")
And it sort of makes sense to do that, so people would know where they stand. But you'd think there'd be an online source/directory to look these dates up, but, if there is, I haven't found it yet.
I think that the idea for there being a standardised release day of the week is sort of backed up by what happens with the copyright registrations, because they were standardised - here are some BOC ones to look at, for example:
Tyranny & Mutation - copyrighted on Fri 16 Feb 1973
Tyranny & Mutation - Quad Version - copyrighted on Fri 22 Jun 1973
Secret Treaties - copyrighted on Fri 5 Apr 1974
Secret Treaties - Quad Version - copyrighted on Fri 10 May 1974
OYF - copyrighted on Fri 21 Feb 1975
AOF - copyrighted on Fri 21 May 1976
Spectres - copyrighted on Fri 21 Oct 1977
SEE - copyrighted on Fri 15 Sep 1978
All without exception were on a Friday. I just wish I knew how tied in they were to the actual release dates... One thing though - I just cannot see how you could register a copyright after releasing the product - you'd either have to do it before release or make it simultaneous with that release. Otherwise, problems might well arise...
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Post by frog on Feb 12, 2023 8:56:32 GMT
Ralph, maybe you can try our good friend Steve Schenck, or Martin Popoff who has quite an archive...
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Post by Buck on Feb 12, 2023 16:55:25 GMT
The copyright date bears no relation to the release. It's just paperwork, subject to normal business and government inertia. In theory, someone could 'steal' an un-copyrighted recording, but it wouldn't hold up under scrutiny. Same with a song. Labels will copyright a SR (sound recording) if they own it. But the paperwork wouldn't stop them from commercially releasing it.
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Post by joe on Feb 13, 2023 3:04:07 GMT
< I cut the not related parts out >All without exception were on a Friday. I just wish I knew how tied in they were to the actual release dates... One thing though - I just cannot see how you could register a copyright after releasing the product - you'd either have to do it before release or make it simultaneous with that release. Otherwise, problems might well arise...
My take as not a lawyer but somebody that has been partly through the process for non-music related things a couple times way back. Basically the guidelines I was given was that if I was pretty sure it was copyrightable, put the magic copyright phrase, symbol, and company name on it. Then the lawyers could decide whether or not it would be worth filing (registering). They were way more interested in patents, then trademarks, then copyrights. My first employer was more interested in copyrights due to what the "stuff" was.FYI - the rules have changed somewhat over the years so the info below is 2023 in the US as I interpret things. Not sure about things are handled in other countries, but my take is that if you're in the US and claim copyright, then it's copyrighted everywhere. If someone infringes on the author's claim of copyright, the author can sue and then it's up to the courts to decide. You can claim copyright when the criteria for a "sound recording" or a "musical composition" is met as described in the links below. You can use the (P) or (C) marks as soon as you meet the said copyrightable criteria. You can release and use the symbols before registering. Registering the copyright is just that - registering it with the government as a formal record of the claim. The recording/composition does have to meet certain criteria, and I think a sample submitted, for the gvt to actually ISSUE the copyright. Registering affords additional legal protection if things go from push to shove. Go back a couple of posts and you'll find a link I posted: www.copyright.gov/engage/musicians/Add to that one: www.copyright.gov/engage/On the second one are some circulars. #1 and #1 are the main ones. It should explain what I said above but in more detail straight from the horse's mouth instead of my old memory. Simple but confusing at the same time. |
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Post by Espo on Feb 13, 2023 19:25:43 GMT
As a kid growing up in the Boston area, Strawberry Records was our big retailer and also sold concert tickets. Tuesday was new music release day and Saturdays for tix. The independent stores usually had them a few days later.
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