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Post by soonerbillz on Apr 28, 2023 3:42:10 GMT
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Post by Buck on Apr 28, 2023 3:57:29 GMT
I frown on copyright infringement suits for song writers. With the possible exception of wholesale lifting of music, arrangement or lyric. Most pop songs use one of a small grab bag of chord progressions, which the pop listener is familiar with all of them. All blues tunes are essentially the same, and early 3 chord rock the same. Most pop songs of the last 15 years use the same 4 chord progression. There's only so many melodies sung, and you've likely heard them all. "Reaper" uses a well worn chord progression and familiar melody, yet it manages to sound only like the Reaper.
That said, if I were king, I'd allow one second of any recording to be sampled and re-used, with 6 seconds of new music before another one, without requiring payment. It'd make for some really good new music.
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Post by Espo on Apr 28, 2023 4:10:05 GMT
It seems like most of the cases in the last few years, the artist or composer is now deceased. I'd hate to think of it as a money grab. But maybe?
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Post by Buck on Apr 28, 2023 15:13:33 GMT
It seems like most of the cases in the last few years, the artist or composer is now deceased. I'd hate to think of it as a money grab. But maybe? Yeah. The descendants of the composer are going for it. The deceased composers theyselves would likely be embarrassed to know that. |
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Post by The Ocean on Apr 28, 2023 15:15:51 GMT
I’m tired of this nonsense. The Blurred Lines verdict only shows that juries are a crapshoot. You can’t copyright a vibe, not a simple chord progression.
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Post by Buck on Apr 28, 2023 15:24:58 GMT
I’m tired of this nonsense. The Blurred Lines verdict only shows that juries are a crapshoot. You can’t copyright a vibe, not a simple chord progression. Indeed. And juries are not qualified to make decisions about intent and plagiarism of music. You can't read minds, and in any event the 'ripped off' song still doesn't sound like the source, unless it does. IF it does, there might be a case. Blurred Lines DOES sound like the Marvin Gaye tune, but it's a homage to my ear. They shoulda given him a small co-write, saved a lot of trouble. |
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Post by Buck on Apr 29, 2023 2:55:54 GMT
Apropos of this conversation, I by chance, discovered this guy's video from 2015 and his current expansions on his point today on his YouTube channel. He covers the process of creation and the genesis of copyright and intellectual property. It starts with pop music copying each other. "Everything Is A Remix."
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Post by joe on Apr 29, 2023 2:57:02 GMT
If every artist sued any and all other artists that they think sounded like them and therefore infringed copyright, there would be no music left. But the lawyers would be rich. Cross-sue each other with no lawyers or outside parties and the very best you can hope for is a bi-directional zero-sum game.
This is more of an "entertaining" read than what we normally consider infringement, things like ripping off riffs, etc. Just the highlights, the details a little TMI for me.
"The Business of Anti-Piracy: New Zones of Enterprise in the Copyright Wars" from the International Journal of Communication. It's more about piracy, but some of the general concepts can be applied to other forms of "infringement". From the conclusions part of the paper: ..."We should not, then, be surprised that the current “hard lockdown” climate is producing its own grey markets,
with mainstream media companies and bottom-feeding operators alike finding their own
ways to monetize consumer infringement."....
Click enough download without registering boxes and you'll get the paper. papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1948762 |
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Post by javan on Apr 29, 2023 7:30:28 GMT
Watch out! The family of Edvard Grieg is going to want their cut from "Joan Crawford".
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Post by Buck on Apr 29, 2023 15:23:56 GMT
"Follow The Money" works in just about any life situation.
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Post by joe on Apr 30, 2023 3:03:45 GMT
Apropos of this conversation, I by chance, discovered this guy's video from 2015 and his current expansions on his point today on his YouTube channel. He covers the process of creation and the genesis of copyright and intellectual property. It starts with pop music copying each other. "Everything Is A Remix." Thanks for the video - very interesting and very well done. CASE IN POINT Looking through the YouTube comments, apparently sometime in the past, maybe even recently, the video was removed, for guess what - copyright violation(s)! Not trusting YouTube comments, I went directly to the author's website at: www.everythingisaremix.info/blog/everything-is-a-remix-the-complete-updated-2023-edition where you'll see the block screen for the author's own video. Pressing the YouTube icon at the bottom right gets you back to a YouTube page where you can select and watch the video you posted. I wonder if his 2023 version has a couple of things that w-a.r*n+e'r objected to removed? I didn't find an explanation, but it may be there. Not to push his products, like those T-shirts at www.everythingisaremix.info/shop but maybe one would be suitable for someone like a certain band member that likes to wear cool T-shirts on-stage? Just saying....
Midnight edit: scratch that. That could REALLY be taken the wrong way by the audience if seen on stage during a performance. |
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Post by Espo on May 4, 2023 17:33:40 GMT
I know zero of Ed Sheerans music. If maybe I've heard a song I wouldn't know it was him. However, I'm happy he won in court. Guess I should check out his stuff.
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Post by redhouserocker on May 4, 2023 18:04:41 GMT
I know zero of Ed Sheerans music. If maybe I've heard a song I wouldn't know it was him. However, I'm happy he won in court. Guess I should check out his stuff. I know it because of my wife (middle aged women really dig Ed....hmmm?) Anyway, definitely a talented musician and I'm glad he won. That just was not a rip of Marvin Gaye in my opine....not even close. |
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Post by Buck on May 4, 2023 19:28:03 GMT
Read a little about that case. Some copyright troll outfit bought "Let's Get It On" co-composer Ed Townsend's interest in the song from his descendants. They then brought the suit against Sheeran, perhaps encouraged by the "Blurred Lines" outcome.
I'd never heard Sheeran's song, but when I listened, I heard a homage perhaps, a nod maybe, but by no means a copy or ripoff of the Gaye song. It was plainly Ed's song, not Marvin's.
This money grabbing is depressing and unbecoming to our species. We're better than this!
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Post by soonerbillz on May 4, 2023 20:06:36 GMT
Buck said
"We're better than this"
I'm not so sure about that.
My lesson in life is that we as a species are willing and capable of horrific actions.
Then too we are capable of great and noble abilities. It's our curse for being at once sentient beings but sapient as well. We haven't really learned anything since the dawn of mankind.
Probably won't change until we cease to exist as a species.
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