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Post by soonerbillz on May 10, 2023 14:50:18 GMT
There's a page about Randy Rhoads on FB.
Today they posted the following piece.
>There’s been a lot of talk about EVH and the comments that Ed made referring to Randy Rhoads, and how Randy supposedly learned what he did from copying him.
During Eddie’s comments he gives the impression that Randy had said that he was more or less, a EVH clone. That’s not what he said at all. During an interview with Guitar World Randy was making the comment that he felt bad about not having the time to come up with something original for his solo live spot. He admitted that he had borrowed from Ed. He also had said that he realized that kids didn’t want to hear his classical work that he was more than capable of playing. He was only given 2:30 during the set to highlight himself. Overall I don’t think that it said anything negative about Randy and his ability, if some of what he did was borrowed. It says nothing about his overall ability to play or his songwriting, considering that he was only referring to what he did during his solo spot. I think that Ed took what was said and slanted it to make himself the more superior player.<
Here’s what exactly Randy said:
 GW
Has the spotlight made it harder for you as a player?
RHOADS
"No, but it's brought to my attention that I've really got to start getting a hold on my playing now. It's no longer enough to just try your best; you've got to be great now. All of a sudden I'm under a different kind of pres-sure. It's a pressure that you've always got to be better than yourself, which is a difficult thing to be. Eddie is great. I don't want to get near competing with people like that.
Even now, everything happens so fast in this band that I haven't had time to think what I want to do, For instance, I'll do a solo live, and do a lot of things Eddie Van Halen does, and it kills me. It's just flash, and it impresses the kids, and I'm trying to make a name as fast as I can. I wish I could take time and come up with something that nobody has done. But unfortu-nately, it will take me a few years."
GW
Can you do something you're proud of in the context of a show?
RHOADS
"I can't. We tried to: during the show, we have a five-minute piece where Tommy [Aldridge, drums] gets to do a bit of a solo, and then I do one. Five minutes between the two of us is not very much time. Besides, the kids we play for aren't interested in musical expertise. If I sat down and played something classical, most of the kids wouldn't be impressed. They're headbangers. Ozzy has an incredible following with his audience, and most of his kids want everything to move nonstop. I experimented with a few things and tried to get some classical things into it, but I really couldn't get it in with this set. It's not time; it calls for flash. The solo features are only to show off Tommy and I. At the same time, they're not supposed to represent anything like, This is what I can do. It's just a quick flash-pot going off."
So this really is an interesting thing. It brings to mind several questions and thoughts for me.
First thing that jumps out at me is how self effacingly reticent Randy is in these comments. Almost as if he is on any attempt to acknowledge his own greatness is painful to him. It's funny because on one hand he is saying he is trying to bring a form of his classical style into the bands but then says pretty much it's impossible.
I really like his honesty in the EVH claim but I personally after seeing Randy live several times can't really buy into the claim from others.. other than Randy's own admission. He was such a presence on the stage, never to be overshadowed by Ozzie or anyone else.
The comments about "the kids don't want nothing but headbanging" may have some truth but not all of us fans were kids... even then.
I have more thoughts. But I'll leave it for later.
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Post by Buck on May 10, 2023 15:46:24 GMT
Awful that Randy Rhoads' career was cut short by the plane crash. Rudy Sarzo and former Buck guitar tech Ricky Reyer were on the scene when it happened.
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Post by soonerbillz on May 10, 2023 16:16:08 GMT
Buck did you ever feel limited on what you could bring onstage or in the studio?
As a artist(which I am not) I could somewhat imagine how that would be frustrating.
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Post by Buck on May 10, 2023 16:46:11 GMT
Buck did you ever feel limited on what you could bring onstage or in the studio? As a artist(which I am not) I could somewhat imagine how that would be frustrating. I imagine everyone would wish they could play more awesomely than they actually do, but I also imagine all good/great players are relaxed and satisfied with their performance since people are happy with what they do. Personally, I'm not afraid to take chances when improvising. Sometimes, I'll go out on a limb reaching for an idea, and if I saw the limb off, well, that's ok. I will play an unintended note, and then just move on. Same with a brain freeze memory lapse or other clam. It happens. In the studio, you've got ample opportunity to satisfy your dignity or the job requirement. Keep going 'till you get it right and you're happy. I'd rather take chances than stick to licks and parts that have been memorized. I have to entertain myself! |
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Post by redhouserocker on May 10, 2023 19:27:51 GMT
Buck did you ever feel limited on what you could bring onstage or in the studio? As a artist(which I am not) I could somewhat imagine how that would be frustrating. I imagine everyone would wish they could play more awesomely than they actually do, but I also imagine all good/great players are relaxed and satisfied with their performance since people are happy with what they do. Personally, I'm not afraid to take chances when improvising. Sometimes, I'll go out on a limb reaching for an idea, and if I saw the limb off, well, that's ok. I will play an unintended note, and then just move on. Same with a brain freeze memory lapse or other clam. It happens. In the studio, you've got ample opportunity to satisfy your dignity or the job requirement. Keep going 'till you get it right and you're happy. I'd rather take chances than stick to licks and parts that have been memorized. I have to entertain myself! Buck...you have certainly entertained all of us all these years! Really happy you enjoy it and get to entertain yourself too! That was the way it was for me back in the day...you loved making the audience happy but hitting the same licks over and over could get boring really fast. Improvising leads especially was a way to stretch your legs a bit...have some fun and when it was good, enjoy a little self satisfaction. BTW, your improvisations have never disappointed. Still say best tone, purity and honesty of anyone I know on stage. |
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Post by Buck on May 10, 2023 20:56:05 GMT
Thanks redhouse, I do appreciate the folks like you who've allowed me to be gainfully employed all these years. That my particular brew of rock, a bit of jazz, oldies and psychedelic weirdness and song writing resonates with you is a wonderful thing to me, and to the band.
That it led to the opportunity to record and get out in front of a national audience at a time when people were receptive does not go unappreciated.
I like talking to everyone here, and we certainly don't have to agree on things we discuss, as long as we don't get butt hurt or angry.
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Post by Espo on May 10, 2023 22:30:41 GMT
There are many different directions to go with this thread, but I'll stick to EVH and Randy. Eddie and Randy are both legends as they should be. Where that style originated will always be up to debate. Hell, guitarist Stanley Jordan was innovating it in Jazz at the same time.
As far as Randy trying to fit in his Classical side, I think he certainly did on 'You Can't Rock and Roll'
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Post by joe on May 11, 2023 1:56:34 GMT
Buck did you ever feel limited on what you could bring onstage or in the studio? As a artist(which I am not) I could somewhat imagine how that would be frustrating. I imagine everyone would wish they could play more awesomely than they actually do, but I also imagine all good/great players are relaxed and satisfied with their performance since people are happy with what they do. Personally, I'm not afraid to take chances when improvising. Sometimes, I'll go out on a limb reaching for an idea, and if I saw the limb off, well, that's ok. I will play an unintended note, and then just move on. Same with a brain freeze memory lapse or other clam. It happens. In the studio, you've got ample opportunity to satisfy your dignity or the job requirement. Keep going 'till you get it right and you're happy. I'd rather take chances than stick to licks and parts that have been memorized. I have to entertain myself! I've only been able to come see you live 3 times, but I don't think anybody in any of the audiences would have even noticed if you missed a note, changed a word, or got something a little wrong. I can't speak for everybody, but I'm there for the performance in total, which includes seeing you guys LIVE - moving around, facial expressions, fingers across the guitar strings, Jules banging the drums, seeing the equipment, seeing who does what for each song, and EVERYTHING that happens on the stage. Really watching and listening to everything that goes on is a lot of entertainment to take in. So a bum note - hah! Immediately overwritten by the next thing happening. Some big screw up or falling off a limb, you've been up there long enough to figure out how to instantly make some type of joke out of it, or flip it into something else, and the crowd would probably be just as entertained as if the limb stayed on. Maybe more so?? :) Putting on a good show and keeping the audience entertained and happy - well the people I've seen are both. Forget about the few out there that have had at least one too many to appreciate anything. So if you, and the other guys, look happy the audience will probably be just as happy plus some. I say if you want to take a risk, go for it! I think that "we" (the audience) like a little risk taking. |
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Post by mcamp on May 15, 2023 8:50:00 GMT
Buck did you ever feel limited on what you could bring onstage or in the studio? As a artist(which I am not) I could somewhat imagine how that would be frustrating. I imagine everyone would wish they could play more awesomely than they actually do, but I also imagine all good/great players are relaxed and satisfied with their performance since people are happy with what they do. Personally, I'm not afraid to take chances when improvising. Sometimes, I'll go out on a limb reaching for an idea, and if I saw the limb off, well, that's ok. I will play an unintended note, and then just move on. Same with a brain freeze memory lapse or other clam. It happens. In the studio, you've got ample opportunity to satisfy your dignity or the job requirement. Keep going 'till you get it right and you're happy. I'd rather take chances than stick to licks and parts that have been memorized. I have to entertain myself! I know you were early on a fan of the Grateful Dead....did their idea of improv have any influence on you? Personally, I enjoy when musicians go off the limb....it's what drew me to BOC and others....because who wants to see a show where it is played note from note from the studio album? It's also why I am a jazz fan....the ultimate expression of improv.....you can tell when it all clicks....and when it does, the audience can feel it too. |
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Post by edosaurus on May 16, 2023 0:55:50 GMT
Buck did you ever feel limited on what you could bring onstage or in the studio? As a artist(which I am not) I could somewhat imagine how that would be frustrating. I imagine everyone would wish they could play more awesomely than they actually do, but I also imagine all good/great players are relaxed and satisfied with their performance since people are happy with what they do. Personally, I'm not afraid to take chances when improvising. Sometimes, I'll go out on a limb reaching for an idea, and if I saw the limb off, well, that's ok. I will play an unintended note, and then just move on. Same with a brain freeze memory lapse or other clam. It happens. In the studio, you've got ample opportunity to satisfy your dignity or the job requirement. Keep going 'till you get it right and you're happy. I'd rather take chances than stick to licks and parts that have been memorized. I have to entertain myself! This in a nutshell is one of the main reasons I have been going to so many BOC shows since 1975. The artistry is on display nightly with the note choices and phrasing in Buck's playing. Most nights are great, have never seen a bad BOC show. Some nights are transcendent, like night two at Sony Hall. |
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Post by edog40 on May 16, 2023 5:00:30 GMT
Thanks redhouse, I do appreciate the folks like you who've allowed me to be gainfully employed all these years. That my particular brew of rock, a bit of jazz, oldies and psychedelic weirdness and song writing resonates with you is a wonderful thing to me, and to the band. That it led to the opportunity to record and get out in front of a national audience at a time when people were receptive does not go unappreciated. I like talking to everyone here, and we certainly don't have to agree on things we discuss, as long as we don't get butt hurt or angry. What if we WANT to get butthurt? |
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Post by frog on May 16, 2023 7:02:19 GMT
I imagine everyone would wish they could play more awesomely than they actually do, but I also imagine all good/great players are relaxed and satisfied with their performance since people are happy with what they do. Personally, I'm not afraid to take chances when improvising. Sometimes, I'll go out on a limb reaching for an idea, and if I saw the limb off, well, that's ok. I will play an unintended note, and then just move on. Same with a brain freeze memory lapse or other clam. It happens. In the studio, you've got ample opportunity to satisfy your dignity or the job requirement. Keep going 'till you get it right and you're happy. I'd rather take chances than stick to licks and parts that have been memorized. I have to entertain myself! This in a nutshell is one of the main reasons I have been going to so many BOC shows since 1975. The artistry is on display nightly with the note choices and phrasing in Buck's playing. Most nights are great, have never seen a bad BOC show. Some nights are transcendent, like night two at Sony Hall.
Night two at Sony Hall was indeed something else, like out of this world. I shed some tears, yep, I'm emotional, during Flaming Telepaths / Astronomy during Night 3, but Night 2, they were walking on water...
(by the way, Buck, any news from the recordings ?)
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Post by Buck on May 16, 2023 15:24:12 GMT
Thanks redhouse, I do appreciate the folks like you who've allowed me to be gainfully employed all these years. That my particular brew of rock, a bit of jazz, oldies and psychedelic weirdness and song writing resonates with you is a wonderful thing to me, and to the band. That it led to the opportunity to record and get out in front of a national audience at a time when people were receptive does not go unappreciated. I like talking to everyone here, and we certainly don't have to agree on things we discuss, as long as we don't get butt hurt or angry. What if we WANT to get butthurt? I have never seen a butthurt reaction online that I didn't think was intentional, in a "see what you made me do" kinda way. I want us all to enjoy the palaver on my forum here. By not taking offense at a clumsy or even nasty post by anybody who doesn't yet get what we have here, we do that. It's probably only possible with a small number of members. Which suits me fine. |
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Post by joe on May 17, 2023 2:38:48 GMT
Thanks redhouse, I do appreciate the folks like you who've allowed me to be gainfully employed all these years. That my particular brew of rock, a bit of jazz, oldies and psychedelic weirdness and song writing resonates with you is a wonderful thing to me, and to the band. That it led to the opportunity to record and get out in front of a national audience at a time when people were receptive does not go unappreciated. I like talking to everyone here, and we certainly don't have to agree on things we discuss, as long as we don't get butt hurt or angry. What if we WANT to get butthurt? I think some number of us here "step in it" once in awhile in ways that could inadvertently really be taken the wrong way by everyone or a specific person or group. I know I've posted some things that hours later I realize "Did I really say that?". Sometimes it was just wrong phrasing or a couple of wrong words - usually because I'm in a hurry or it's really late. So at 1 AM I'll log back on and delete my whole post or edit just a couple of things before many have read it. A few I went back to edit and there was already a "like" or two on it. Go figure. I just left those "as is" :) |
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