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Post by Buck on Apr 10, 2015 3:18:50 GMT
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Post by Marina on Apr 10, 2015 4:14:09 GMT
Geez. Liebeck's injuries sound pretty terrible but I can see people abusing their power to sue over similar situations. I wonder how her age played into judgement here. Still kind of hard to tell a 79 year old woman with third degree burns tough luck... McDonald's claimed they made the coffee hotter than you would at home because they anticipate people want to drink it when they get to their destination but according to this they did some research and found most people intend to drink it on the spot: www.lectlaw.com/files/cur78.htmI guess this is why we have "CAUTION HOT" written on coffee cups now... or was that always there?
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Post by Buck on Apr 10, 2015 14:35:59 GMT
Mickey D.'s coffee is not as hot as it used to be, as a result of that suit. You had to be careful in the old days, mixing it in your car after the drive through. I did appreciate that the coffee would still be hot by the time it got to you on take out. Those boxes of Dunkin' Donuts take out coffee are tepid by the time you pour it into your cup.
In retrospect, McDonald's should have settled with granny at some early point. Juries are unreliable when it comes to justice. I wouldn't want a jury deciding if I'd copied someone else's song for instance.
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Post by harley on Apr 10, 2015 14:48:42 GMT
That was a great read. I never really knew the details. I always just thought "Coffee is hot, we know this"! McDonalds legal team really screwed this up by all the lowballing! Marina, I believe that "Caution HOT" was put on all to go cups after this incident.
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Post by sirrastus on Apr 10, 2015 17:46:50 GMT
Incident.Or maybe it was indecent.
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Post by sirrastus on Apr 10, 2015 17:48:06 GMT
Juries get some right they screw some up-guess it's the best we can do.Not everything works out like 12 Angry Men.
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Post by sirrastus on Apr 10, 2015 17:53:57 GMT
BTW I think I would have lost it having to hear hours of testimony on that case.I've never sat on a jury.The last time there was a case in Brooklyn had something to do with the death of a child and mother sued father and I knew it was gonna b a long one but I got off because I had done prior business with one of the attorneys so I used that as an excuse to get off.I think the case lasted three months.First time I went thru the whole voudir(??) process but afterwards the attorneys who my company had done some work for said I could go-thankfully.
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Post by Parker Dude on Apr 10, 2015 22:48:16 GMT
I found the hot coffee case interesting because I was sure McDonalds was going to win.
How?
The cup was not designed to be placed between the thighs/knees but to be held in hand or placed in a cup holder.
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Post by mary on Apr 11, 2015 2:39:42 GMT
BTW I think I would have lost it having to hear hours of testimony on that case.I've never sat on a jury.The last time there was a case in Brooklyn had something to do with the death of a child and mother sued father and I knew it was gonna b a long one but I got off because I had done prior business with one of the attorneys so I used that as an excuse to get off.I think the case lasted three months.First time I went thru the whole voudir(??) process but afterwards the attorneys who my company had done some work for said I could go-thankfully. A few years ago I served on a jury for a murder trial. It was an emotional experience but the whole process moved along quickly. The jury selection, the trial, and the jury deliberation all took a total of three days. It wasn't like the court room dramas on TV where everything is drawn out.
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Post by markus on Apr 11, 2015 3:44:58 GMT
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Post by marty on Apr 17, 2015 23:22:42 GMT
I've served jury duty 5 times. One murder trial, one wrongful death lawsuit, several felony burglaries, etc. Like a box of chocolates. There's always one or two people on a jury who will not follow instructions and either have an ax to grind or simply refuse to process the evidence as presented. People are just different. Some allow their intuition too much leeway, and that is simply illegal. There are some very ignorant DA's out there, too. So many people are found not guilty, but they are not innocent, not by a long shot.
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Post by sirrastus on Apr 17, 2015 23:51:48 GMT
Martso-that's the main problem-everyone brings a part of themself and experience to any situation but most people can fairly process the info and as you said some will just have an axe to grind.
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Post by Jamie B on Apr 18, 2015 22:17:00 GMT
I handle cases like this for a living (as an employee of an insurance company) and everyday something new blows my mind. Between what people do and what companies do in response to incidents...there are some companies that would rather spend $500K on defense costs when they could have settled for $50K.
On the other hand, I've sat on a jury too and from my time in the deliberation room I can definitely tell you I wouldn't want any of them to handle my fate. Most were worried about when they would get fed and were willing to decide a case on the merits of getting out quicker to eat dinner.
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Post by robreich on Apr 19, 2015 12:52:14 GMT
Paul, I think companies get so fed up with settling cases with no merit that they start to fight. This country really needs tort reform.
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Post by sirrastus on Apr 19, 2015 13:58:29 GMT
I handle cases like this for a living (as an employee of an insurance company) and everyday something new blows my mind. Between what people do and what companies do in response to incidents...there are some companies that would rather spend $500K on defense costs when they could have settled for $50K. On the other hand, I've sat on a jury too and from my time in the deliberation room I can definitely tell you I wouldn't want any of them to handle my fate. Most were worried about when they would get fed and were willing to decide a case on the merits of getting out quicker to eat dinner. LOL See 12 Angry Men
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