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Post by agent on Mar 30, 2019 11:30:02 GMT
I imagine he’s the kind that enjoyed the show and memory, even if the ticket Was in the drawer. I trust your take more, lol
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Post by duckbarman on Mar 30, 2019 12:55:28 GMT
Chuck, We should check your boss’s memory. That was a tour with Hatchet that I had tickets to, and the entire tour was cancelled. Big announcements, etc. I don’t think any of the gigs actually happened. The announcement came out three days before the first show. I was devastated, of course. Didn’t see the band until 1986. Rob Rob - which show(s) did you have tickets for? This was the projected tour: 19 05 1982: Munich 20 05 1982: Wurzburg [Definitely cancelled] 21 05 1982: Stuttgart 22 05 1982: Nuremburg 23 05 1982: Russelheim 24 05 1982: Dusseldorf 25 05 1982: Hamburg 26 05 1982: Ludwigshafen [Definitely cancelled] After I discovered that two of the above were deffo cancelled, I began to wonder if any of then actually happened. Then Sam Judd told me "I remember starting that swing in Stuttgart... I think we did those three shows (Stuttgart/Nuremburg/Russelheim) and went home... counting our DM on the plane..." Sam's memory was always pretty sharp in these matters - he could always tell you what the crew had to eat at any venue you care to name - but I note he said "I think we did those three shows" so that added a slight layer of uncertainty to the whole thing. A further layer of uncertainty is added by BOC's touring schedule - from 1981 to 1989, they toured Europe every year, and the only year they missed out West Germany was 1985, so it has got to be VERY hard to think back from the current day and sort out in your mind which Stuttgart gig memory was which. However, if you were stationed in the army/AF nearby within a very specific date range, then that would allow you to narrow things down somewhat - eg if you saw a BOC Stuttgart gig and the only window for this was 1982/1983, then that would suggest the 1982 gig did occur - BOC played that city in Aug 1981, missed it out in 1983, and played there again in Jan 1984... So any info you can give me about which gig(s) you had tickets for - but which were subsequently cancelled - would help me get a better picture of what happened on this particular tour...
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Post by eastmark on Mar 30, 2019 13:32:09 GMT
I imagine he’s the kind that enjoyed the show and memory, even if the ticket Was in the drawer. I trust your take more, lol Thats funny right there Chuck ! The boss may just want to be looked upon as cool or brilliant for recognizing BOC’s legacy. Besides...we all grew up in the 70’s and are familiar with the concept of “Question authority”.....fast forward to today and add to that...national news reporting....either side ;-)
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Post by robreich on Mar 30, 2019 21:59:01 GMT
Ralph,
I had tickets to the Russelsheim show, which was cancelled. I remember clearly the article in the Stars and Stripes, it was 3 or 4 days before my show, that announced that the entire tour was cancelled due to a health issue with a member of Hatchet. It explained how to get a refund on purchased tickets, and had some type of comment about hoping to reschedule soon. Unfortunately for me not soon enough as I was back in the States by the time BOC came back. (Moved back early summer of 83). I wonder if those old Stars and Stripes are microfilmed anywhere....?
I hated Hatchet for years and cursed loudly any time Flirting with Disaster came on the radio.
Rob
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Post by duckbarman on Mar 31, 2019 14:33:39 GMT
Thanks Rob...
> I wonder if those old Stars and Stripes are microfilmed anywhere....?
I looked it up and they are archived online but they're behind a paywall type of site - however, they do allow you to search them - and although you only see a thumbnail of the search results, weirdly for a paysite, they give you an OCR dump of all the text on the page. Thus I was able to find this in the 22 May 1982 edition:
After getting you all excited by telling you that Molly Hatchet's original singer Danny Joe Brown is going to be on the tour with Molly Hatchet and Blue Oyster Cult, I have to tell you that the tour has been postponed. But it is only postponed until September or October. It seems that Molly Hatchet's lead guitarist Dave Hlubek has more problems with his mouth. He is going to have to undergo some eight operations. Barry Williamson from Sunrise Concerts will let me know when we will get the green light.
So top marks on the state of your memory banks - I couldn't even tell you what I had for dinner yesterday... :-(
That cancellation news was published halfway through the tour, though, so it must clearly have come very late in the day - and therefore, you have to assume BOC and Hatchet were already over there. This would certainly chime with Sam's recollections of the tour...
But what isn't clear is: did BOC play any of the gigs prior to the cancellation? Sam seems to think they did, although he wasn't certain which ones...
Furthermore - why would BOC cancel just because the other band on the bill had to pull out? They didn't cancel any of the "Black'n'Blue" gigs when Sabbs didn't play a few shows because they'd sacked Bill Ward... and earlier, when Blackmore had a strop and Rainbow didn't play any of the closing dates of their tour with BOC, BOC didn't cancel - they just played longer... so that given reason for the cancellation sounds a bit odd to me...
Anyway, for now I've removed all those gigs from the actual gig lists but I'll keep them in the chronology as 'Possible' BOC gigs unless I receive direct confirmation that they were definitely cancelled - eg Russelsheim. I'm loathe to designate the full tour as definitely "cancelled" for two reasons - first, because of what Sam said, and second, because the newspaper cancellation was published after some of the dates could have been played...
Also not clear is - could Chuck's boss have been thinking of the 1981 Stuttgart show? The easy way to know is: was Albert on drums? If so, then it was 1981. If it was Rick, then it could have been this mythical 1982 gig as the next one there was in 1984...
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Post by robreich on Mar 31, 2019 15:28:00 GMT
Ralph,
I wouldn’t count on Star and Stripes being totally on top of the actual date of the cancellation. If you’re sure Wurzburg didn’t happen, I gotta think that the others didn’t, too.
Rob
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Post by joel on Apr 6, 2019 3:32:53 GMT
NYC? please
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