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Post by tom on Nov 21, 2019 21:41:00 GMT
Not the first one to dismiss Allen in brutal terms. a former member once called him "a talentless junkie" that Allen Lanier had a fatal attraction for a certain substance we all know, but he was a fine keyboard player and he could also manage a mean guitar. and that was what he will be remembered for. ill feelings between former partners in rock business (David Lucas also came down pretty rough on Sandy and the whole "conceptual" phase of BOC) are frequent, and as sad as they might sound, are par for the course, I presume. let's say this "former" member was never known to be a class act... I totally agree Gerard-he went mad at me because I described CN as a much maligned album on one of his posts on FB-it ended with me telling him to go fuck himself
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Post by duckbarman on Nov 21, 2019 21:57:03 GMT
> it ended with me telling him to go fuck himself Just for a change.... :-)
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Post by tom on Nov 21, 2019 22:45:29 GMT
> it ended with me telling him to go fuck himself Just for a change.... :-) Why change a habit of a lifetime cocker
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Post by duckbarman on Nov 24, 2019 12:06:49 GMT
I do remember Bell's review of AOF though. Glowing is not the word. I'm sure many people bought that album & became BOC fans after reading that review. There's a blog where a guy types up various articles from NME/Sounds etc (seemingly in the hope of selling you a copy of the publication in question) - well, he says he types them - most likely he's got some sort of OCR software hooked up to his scanner - but anyway, there's a copy of that AOF review included on the BOC page - it's about the third piece down from the top: geirmykl.wordpress.com/category/blue-oyster-cult/BTW: check out the first two "reviews" (and that's using the term in its loosest possible sense) for ST and BOC... I don't actually recall seeing these before, and I'm probably glad I didn't...
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Post by luxexterior on Nov 24, 2019 13:04:36 GMT
I do remember Bell's review of AOF though. Glowing is not the word. I'm sure many people bought that album & became BOC fans after reading that review. There's a blog where a guy types up various articles from NME/Sounds etc (seemingly in the hope of selling you a copy of the publication in question) - well, he says he types them - most likely he's got some sort of OCR software hooked up to his scanner - but anyway, there's a copy of that AOF review included on the BOC page - it's about the third piece down from the top: geirmykl.wordpress.com/category/blue-oyster-cult/BTW: check out the first two "reviews" (and that's using the term in its loosest possible sense) for ST and BOC... I don't actually recall seeing these before, and I'm probably glad I didn't... Thanks for that. More great stuff! The MB review is as I remember it. Fantastic to read it again I was back in 1976, I had the pic from the review of Allen & Buck glued to the cover of one of my school books, happy days.
I hadn't seen the two earlier reviews before. Both interesting but clearly very wrong.
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Post by agent on Nov 24, 2019 14:39:37 GMT
I'm unsure who the former member is but while Allen may or may not have been a junkie he most certainly wasn't talentless. Although he may not have been prolific his BOC songs & the songs he co-wrote with Patti Smith (Kimberly, Distant Fingers)& Jim Carroll (Dance the Night Away)are all killers. He was also an integral part BOC early image & always more than pulled his weight on stage. I read Meltzer's remarks about Allen & Patti, I thought they were outrageous & almost certainly untrue. I was annoyed for about thirty seconds then I remembered this was Richard Meltzer & so probably his idea of a joke or else just a thought that once briefly crossed his mind that he turned into a memory! Here's a hint, luxexterior. I certainly do not like to get into online political fights (unless they are political fights :-) :-) ) Many years ago, an Imaginos discussion was hot and heavy at Jack and Alma's site. And said person, out of the blue, started to Mind Read what everyone thought of Imaginos, even Family members of the band. One of these was Sandy Dharma. According to said person, apparently even Sandy Dharma had bad feelings about Imaginos. I responded Sandy and I actually had this conversation in Atlanta (1998) and she said she loved Imaginos. He was not having any of that and proceeded to attempt to convince the Board his Mind Reading was better than my face to face conversation with Sandy on the issue. His persistance on the subject was curious. It must've really bothered him a lot as he asked Sandy directly. To his credit, he did post his Mind Reading was mistaken. Thinking back on it, I was probably trolling him too hard. Like a poker player who was being bluffed with 4 Aces in his hand...
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Post by beanguy on Feb 1, 2020 18:11:56 GMT
One original member left, and the guitar player played behind his head? Even the guys in rock and roll heaven could not compete with that artistry.
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Post by The Ocean on Aug 6, 2020 20:08:40 GMT
Okay, so this reviewer reminds me of the two obnoxious drunk women behind me when I saw Billy Joel the summer before last. They kept screaming "DO YOUR HITS" the whole damn concert and yelling "Play Piano Man!"
I saw BOC at Penn's Peak in 2004 and Foghat opened for them. But there was a guy near me who yelled "Godzilla" like a half dozen times during the show. Like, dude, they know. They're going to play Godzilla. I love being among the cheering hoards, but I can't stand people who are just there to see the hits. Like Homer Simpson yelling at BTO to play Takin' Care of Business, and then when they do he yells "GET TO THE WORKIN' OVERTIME PART!" Or when I went to see Gary Numan there were a few people that would yell "CARS!" between songs. He knows, dude. He's gonna fuckin' play Cars.
This guy is complaining that there were deep cuts? That's the appeal to going to a show for me and I think for a lot of people, too. What band doesn't play their hits live? Usually bands advertise shows that play only certain songs from a certain era, or play an album in its entirety. I went to see Rush on their tour where they only played music from the 80's (I saw a similar Iron Maiden show that only did 80's tunes, but also Fear of the Dark). I would have been pissed if I found myself sitting near some guy yelling "PLAY WORKING MAN!" Dude, didn't you know what the show was when you spent $60+ on the ticket?
Also, how is The Red and the Black a "novelty" song?
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Post by Buck on Aug 7, 2020 13:49:39 GMT
It wasn't until I had the experience of reading about myself that I became skeptical of media. All 'journalism' is somebody's opinion. There is no single or reliable source of reporting reality. Every account is that person/org telling you what they think you need to know. And not telling you what they don't think you should know.
And that's what I think you need to know. : )
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Post by zenman on Aug 7, 2020 15:04:46 GMT
And that's what I think you need to know. : ) HAH!
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Post by The Ocean on Aug 7, 2020 15:53:49 GMT
It wasn't until I had the experience of reading about myself that I became skeptical of media. All 'journalism' is somebody's opinion. There is no single or reliable source of reporting reality. Every account is that person/org telling you what they think you need to know. And not telling you what they don't think you should know. And that's what I think you need to know. : ) 100% agreement. All journalists, whether in good faith or bad faith, well-intentioned or not, are gatekeepers. The best thing we can do is to just remember that fallibility and try to remind ourselves to always hold onto a reasonable amount of skepticism.
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