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Post by edog40 on Dec 7, 2020 15:11:45 GMT
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Post by frog on Dec 7, 2020 15:33:05 GMT
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Post by edog40 on Dec 7, 2020 15:51:40 GMT
He needs to start reading the Reimaginos thread here if he thinks BOC ripped him off. |
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Post by Buck on Dec 8, 2020 16:14:27 GMT
Sandy had many overdub reels of 2" tape where all kinds of musicians had played on Imaginos. I have no idea what was actually used to mix the the Columbia record. I just know I played much more guitar in the sessions that was used on the LP.
EDIT I just read Joe's imaginos comments from the link above. Sounds like his experience with guitar overdubs was similar to mine. What he didn't realize was the tracks he was 'fixing' wasn't the BOC band playing either. Joe's description of working with Sandy P. pretty much mirrors ours by that time in Sandy's producer evolution. He'd do so many takes it took all the spontaneity and vibe out of the performance.
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Post by frog on Dec 8, 2020 21:33:23 GMT
Buck ? was Club Ninja recorded that way ?
well, actually, can you tell us more about the way you worked with Sandy Pearlman over the years, from the black and white period to the after Agents period and then, Club Ninja ?
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Post by duckbarman on Dec 8, 2020 22:47:50 GMT
Certain musicians seem very certain that their contributions were used on the final Imaginos mix... from everything I read and hear, I don't think anybody can be totally sure that their hard work definitely saw the light of day on this project...
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Post by Buck on Dec 9, 2020 0:40:35 GMT
Probably the only person who'd have any idea at this point is Paul Mandl, Sandy's engineer for most of the Imaginos project. He did all the book keeping on all the tape reels and what was on them. I think when Steve Brown mixed the record, it was down to 46 tracks of audio, so they must have decided who's performances to use in the final mix.
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Post by edog40 on Dec 9, 2020 1:38:29 GMT
Probably the only person who'd have any idea at this point is Paul Mandl, Sandy's engineer for most of the Imaginos project. He did all the book keeping on all the tape reels and what was on them. I think when Steve Brown mixed the record, it was down to 46 tracks of audio, so they must have decided who's performances to use in the final mix. Someone get Paul on the phone! |
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Post by druid on Dec 9, 2020 3:05:26 GMT
Sandy had many overdub reels of 2" tape where all kinds of musicians had played on Imaginos. I have no idea what was actually used to mix the the Columbia record. I just know I played much more guitar in the sessions that was used on the LP. EDIT I just read Joe's imaginos comments from the link above. Sounds like his experience with guitar overdubs was similar to mine. What he didn't realize was the tracks he was 'fixing' wasn't the BOC band playing either. Joe's description of working with Sandy P. pretty much mirrors ours by that time in Sandy's producer evolution. He'd do so many takes it took all the spontaneity and vibe out of the performance. I think of all the records made in the last 100 years and some of the great ones were recorded in a few hours or a few days with minimal or no overdubs. Miles Davis' "Kind of Blue" arguably one of the greatest jazz records ever, was recorded in 8 hours back in 1959 often with first takes. And the sound quality is stellar, even by today's standards. |
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Post by eastmark on Dec 9, 2020 10:30:09 GMT
Robben Ford played killer lead for Miles for some time. He may have learned something from what Miles did there. He was not on that album though. That was Miles album with musicians like Bill Evans and John Coltrane and an opening track famously known as “So What”..... so something sure worked that day. :-)
Ford just a few years back spent grueling weeks recording a new Blues album with his band. It just wasnt coming together. They got near final after some struggles.
Robben tells the story how he listened to it through right before final....re-booked just one day in a Nashville studio...trashed all the prior recordings...immediately called the band back together.... and basically played it live that day. It was recorded in the single session. He was very pleased with it,
That was the final...he titled it A Day In Nashville...released shortly after.
More than one way to skin a cat sometimes !
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Post by Buck on Dec 9, 2020 22:45:30 GMT
Robben Ford played killer lead for Miles for some time. He may have learned something from what Miles did there. He was not on that album though. That was Miles album with musicians like Bill Evans and John Coltrane and an opening track famously known as “So What”..... so something sure worked that day. :-) Ford just a few years back spent grueling weeks recording a new Blues album with his band. It just wasnt coming together. They got near final after some struggles. Robben tells the story how he listened to it through right before final....re-booked just one day in a Nashville studio...trashed all the prior recordings...immediately called the band back together.... and basically played it live that day. It was recorded in the single session. He was very pleased with it, That was the final...he titled it A Day In Nashville...released shortly after. More than one way to skin a cat sometimes ! Sandy Pearlman basically did that with "Imaginos." But he did it for 8 years. |
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Post by eastmark on Dec 9, 2020 23:48:13 GMT
It’s complicated man.
Been a fan quite a while. Still dont know who plays what when. Haha
Not in my top 10 BOC...but there are some great tunes mixed in there.
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Post by The Ocean on Dec 10, 2020 2:49:55 GMT
I mean, it's a great album in its own right I think. And if it isn't BÖC technically, at the very least it's BÖC-adjacent.
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Post by edog40 on Dec 10, 2020 4:41:56 GMT
I mean, it's a great album in its own right I think. And if it isn't BÖC technically, at the very least it's BÖC-adjacent. Imaginos self identifies as a BOC album. |
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Post by bil on Dec 10, 2020 9:53:15 GMT
I played on Imaginos....prove me wrong. LOL  |
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