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Post by The Ocean on Mar 2, 2021 4:29:24 GMT
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Post by zenman on Mar 2, 2021 5:06:13 GMT
Not often you get Pink Fairies name-checked in ANY review these days.
Walk, Don't Run!
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Post by Buck on Mar 2, 2021 19:12:10 GMT
The comments are interesting. They run the range of what the world thinks of BOC. Some think ST is great, some don't get it. Some like how it sounds, some think is sounds sub-par, compared to others at the time. I don't think Treaties was ever used in Audio Stores to demo speakers, put it that way.
It is great that people just discovering BOC can listen without having to hunt down the disk somewhere. It's all there, up in the sky.
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Post by zenman on Mar 2, 2021 19:32:51 GMT
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Post by duckbarman on Mar 2, 2021 21:25:55 GMT
It is great that people just discovering BOC can listen without having to hunt down the disk somewhere. It's all there, up in the sky. I often think how great it is also, but then, possibly equally as often, I think how sad that is... I mean, the theory is great - you can just lie on your sofa and listen to any music or watch any film that takes your fancy... feel peckish? stretch out an arm and grab your phone to have a pizza or whatever delivered (what? - I have to get up and answer the door to get it...? Forget it then - I wasn't that hungry anyway...) I know I probably sound like some sort of digital Luddite, but I remember the trip I had to take to get into town to buy Treaties when it came out... I remember the 40 minute bus ride home staring at the cover all the way and almost learning by heart the text on the back... having to make an effort to get something I wanted just made me appreciate it all the more... Having whatever you want whenever you want it sounds like some sort of Utopia, but I think I must just be a miserable old analogue git railing against a digital world... |
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Post by zenman on Mar 2, 2021 21:50:48 GMT
It is great that people just discovering BOC can listen without having to hunt down the disk somewhere. It's all there, up in the sky. Having whatever you want whenever you want it sounds like some sort of Utopia, but I think I must just be a miserable old analogue git railing against a digital world... Rather than Utopia, a dystopia absent longing and desire. |
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Post by The Ocean on Mar 2, 2021 23:34:14 GMT
It is great that people just discovering BOC can listen without having to hunt down the disk somewhere. It's all there, up in the sky. I often think how great it is also, but then, possibly equally as often, I think how sad that is... I mean, the theory is great - you can just lie on your sofa and listen to any music or watch any film that takes your fancy... feel peckish? stretch out an arm and grab your phone to have a pizza or whatever delivered (what? - I have to get up and answer the door to get it...? Forget it then - I wasn't that hungry anyway...) I know I probably sound like some sort of digital Luddite, but I remember the trip I had to take to get into town to buy Treaties when it came out... I remember the 40 minute bus ride home staring at the cover all the way and almost learning by heart the text on the back... having to make an effort to get something I wanted just made me appreciate it all the more... Having whatever you want whenever you want it sounds like some sort of Utopia, but I think I must just be a miserable old analogue git railing against a digital world... I am grateful for the ease of streaming, but I abhor the idea that entertainment is transitioning to that model. When a streaming service hosts "your" copy of something, you only own it for as long as the host company is solvent, or the physical servers go without failure. I will forever cherish physical copies of media as much as possible. The Simpsons episode with Michael Jackson as a guest star was removed from all streaming services, so now anybody who doesn't own the DVD's can't ever see that episode again. |
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Post by pibroch on Mar 3, 2021 1:11:39 GMT
The comments are interesting. They run the range of what the world thinks of BOC. Some think ST is great, some don't get it. Some like how it sounds, some think is sounds sub-par, compared to others at the time. I don't think Treaties was ever used in Audio Stores to demo speakers, put it that way. It is great that people just discovering BOC can listen without having to hunt down the disk somewhere. It's all there, up in the sky. The album speaks for itself, though the quad version is slightly more pleasing to listen to, especially the Audio Fidelity SACD that brought the fidelity way up from the DTS vinyl rip I'd been listening to. To some BÖC will always be "Godzilla", "Reaper" and "Burnin'" - all great tunes, but damn Secret Treaties is a satisfying listen, one of the best A sides of any rock record, and "Harvester" into "Telepaths" is one of my favorite segues on a rock record. Whatever struggles Cult had getting their sound on tape in the early 70s, the album's artistry still comes through. |
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Post by niksa on Mar 3, 2021 1:59:46 GMT
It is great that people just discovering BOC can listen without having to hunt down the disk somewhere. It's all there, up in the sky. The thrill of just the chase is worth the pain. When I first got into BOC was in the CD era. The only option from our stores here in Canada (HMV) were compilation albums. I managed to grab Some Enchanted Evening from them eventually. At one point I found my “local record store” that had almost every CD. My teenage wage quickly got me Club Ninja (which is why I’m fond of it), Blue Oyster Cult and then Tyranny. At any rate. I have specific memories of buying each album, and experiencing them spoiler free from streaming. I feel those experiences will be lost on future music listeners. I’ve also recently enjoyed collecting all the LP’s as a working adult (though I still haven’t found the Agents gatefold)... it was a pleasure to hear a brand new BOC album for the first time on vinyl (Symbol). Anyways. It’s great that youth can get into BOC, albeit a different acquisition experience than me. |
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Post by pacnw on Mar 3, 2021 12:20:56 GMT
The experience of the record album has been gone for a while. Anticipating a release. Trying to find it in a store. Checking-out all the art and liner notes. Trading records and recording stuff to cassette for friends. etc.
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Post by pibroch on Mar 3, 2021 13:01:53 GMT
The experience of the record album has been gone for a while. Anticipating a release. Trying to find it in a store. Checking-out all the art and liner notes. Trading records and recording stuff to cassette for friends. etc. To risk getting pedantic, I don’t think any of this stuff (aside from cassette trading) really was about the music. The release date anticipation is still there, and there are still singles released before release day. Trying to find it in the store is obviously not an issue. Liner notes and stuff could be served by Facebook or the band’s website and other social media, where you can get actual video and photos of the band or artist’s behind the scenes process. I love my CDs, vinyl and other physical media, and I had lots of experiences with what you describe when I was younger, but being 36 and growing up with Napster and such, I really benefitted from so much music being available. I discovered so many artists through the internet that I never saw in music stores, and even if I did, CDs at that time were so expensive that I couldn’t afford them anyway. Young people these days are listening to music still, I think the things we associate with the process are just a little more extraneous and we grew up with them and feel like the kids are missing out... which they aren’t. They’re still listening to their favorite music. They’re just interacting with it in a different way. But I do still see young people who love physical media. Record stores still thrive and I see younger folks in them all the time. I am in cassette and minidisc and analog groups and subReddits and see young adults excited about them. It’s just a different world for the biggest demographic that listens to pop music, and that’s likely all you’re able to see if you don’t have the proclivity to look further into it. |
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Post by luxexterior on Mar 3, 2021 13:33:28 GMT
Audio wise ST may not the best sounding album in the world but it's also nowhere near the worst. Content wise it is one of the greatest rock albums ever recorded. It still stands up & to my ears hasn't dated. I've bought numerous copies of it over the years & still play it on a regular basis & expect to continue doing that until the day I die.  |
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Post by The Ocean on Mar 3, 2021 15:10:47 GMT
Audio wise ST may not the best sounding album in the world but it's also nowhere near the worst. Content wise it is one of the greatest rock albums ever recorded. It still stands up & to my ears hasn't dated. I've bought numerous copies of it over the years & still play it on a regular basis & expect to continue doing that until the day I die. This is the first I'm really hearing about sound quality regarding Sectret Treaties. I've always thought it sounded pretty crisp. My only real problem with BOC sound production is the debut album and Revolution by Night. |
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Post by luxexterior on Mar 3, 2021 16:28:05 GMT
Audio wise ST may not the best sounding album in the world but it's also nowhere near the worst. Content wise it is one of the greatest rock albums ever recorded. It still stands up & to my ears hasn't dated. I've bought numerous copies of it over the years & still play it on a regular basis & expect to continue doing that until the day I die. This is the first I'm really hearing about sound quality regarding Sectret Treaties. I've always thought it sounded pretty crisp. My only real problem with BOC sound production is the debut album and Revolution by Night. I'm not saying that ST is bad sound wise, I actually think most of the BOC albums sound pretty good in terms of sound quality. But I know that some listeners complain that it sounds a little thin or even tinny. As I said not a problem for me, to me it has always sounded powerful but I do also remember reading an interview with the band where they said that they were disappointed with the final cut because the masters sounded more dynamic. Maybe Buck can shed some light on this.
Interesting you mention the debut album it has always sounded great to me however I do agree that the sound quality on Revolution is a little variable. Unfortunately to my ears Imaginos is the worst album in terms of sound quality.
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Post by The Ocean on Mar 3, 2021 18:00:34 GMT
This is the first I'm really hearing about sound quality regarding Sectret Treaties. I've always thought it sounded pretty crisp. My only real problem with BOC sound production is the debut album and Revolution by Night. I'm not saying that ST is bad sound wise, I actually think most of the BOC albums sound pretty good in terms of sound quality. But I know that some listeners complain that it sounds a little thin or even tinny. As I said not a problem for me, to me it has always sounded powerful but I do also remember reading an interview with the band where they said that they were disappointed with the final cut because the masters sounded more dynamic. Maybe Buck can shed some light on this.
Interesting you mention the debut album it has always sounded great to me however I do agree that the sound quality on Revolution is a little variable. Unfortunately to my ears Imaginos is the worst album in terms of sound quality.
I always felt the debut was a little too muddy for my taste. I thought the sound of Tyranny and Treaties was MUCH improved. Imaginos.... I mean.... parts of it sound great, but it's the kind of album which I feel like predicted the Loudness Wars. And I actually really like the album for the most part; It just isn't really BOC to me. Magna of Illusion I think is a great song, but I'd never include it in a BOC mix (do people still make those?). |
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