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Post by tambra68 on Apr 10, 2024 2:12:06 GMT
I was doing one of my frequent trips to NY today, and was listening to music all the way there and back. I kept hearing an off beat in several songs (mostly the 80’s ones). It kinda seemed like a stumble, but I know that it is intentional. I know there is a term for this, but do not recall what the term is. It, seemingly, involves percussion to make “it” happen. It feels like a back-stepping the beat. What is the term for this?
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Post by marty on Apr 10, 2024 2:27:15 GMT
Syncopation
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Post by bil on Apr 10, 2024 7:40:49 GMT
F**k up....?
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Post by markus on Apr 10, 2024 13:46:43 GMT
Most popular/mainstream music is in 4/4, with the accent on the 2 and 4; so when the beat/accent is missing for a measure or in a turnaround it sounds unnatural. A good example of this is Turn it on Again by Genesis or Possum Kingdom by the Toadies. I think we're inclined to accept odd time signatures when it's presented consistently, i.e. Tarkus Eruption ELP in 5/4 or Money Pink Floyd 7/8, but it's an unsettling feeling when all of a sudden a beat is added or dropped while in 4/4. There are groove signatures not in 4/4 that are palatable because they have a predictable meter like 6/8, i.e. House of the Rising Sun and Divine Wind by our host. Explore the New Complexity field if you want to see absolute time signature mayhem.
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Post by tambra68 on Apr 10, 2024 15:21:48 GMT
Marty- thanks so much!!!
Bil - you made me lol in the sitting room of a doctors office! 😂
Markus - interesting enough, House of the Rising Song was one of the ones I listened to yesterday. I enjoyed your commentary on it very much! I kind of like it, in some songs, but yesterday it was like every song I listened to did that. Thank you.
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Post by marty on Apr 11, 2024 1:27:09 GMT
Marty- thanks so much!!! Bil - you made me lol in the sitting room of a doctors office! 😂 Markus - interesting enough, House of the Rising Song was one of the ones I listened to yesterday. I enjoyed your commentary on it very much! I kind of like it, in some songs, but yesterday it was like every song I listened to did that. Thank you. You’re welcome! I’m percussionist in my church band, and after listening to Buck and Albert for 52 years, I drive my band nuts with side beats (as opposed to back beats, but I do that too). Syncopation is easiest when the drummer doesn’t set the tempo. I know it’s the rhythm section that normally sets and keeps the tempo, but my band is led by the keyboard player, I fill in the blanks. Buck often sets and keeps the tempo, which freed Albert to lay out those jazzy fills, especially during guitar solos. Or, maybe it’s just that they both have a phrasing foundational to jazz, rather than blues based, like most classic rock artists. Sometimes I hear sax, trumpet and even trombone sounds coming from Buck, even in the same run. Flat Out is chock full of brassy fills. |
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Post by Buck on Apr 11, 2024 2:50:39 GMT
I was doing one of my frequent trips to NY today, and was listening to music all the way there and back. I kept hearing an off beat in several songs (mostly the 80’s ones). It kinda seemed like a stumble, but I know that it is intentional. I know there is a term for this, but do not recall what the term is. It, seemingly, involves percussion to make “it” happen. It feels like a back-stepping the beat. What is the term for this? The next time you hear it, make a note of the song, and we can listen and speak directly to what you're hearing. I'm curious about what you mean. |
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Post by marty on Apr 11, 2024 15:45:10 GMT
The classic off beat I think of, regarding 80’s music, is during ‘l Melt With You” or “Just Like Heaven”
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Post by mcamp on Apr 18, 2024 16:43:19 GMT
I always thought that John Bonham had that off beat feel.
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Post by wildblue025 on Apr 20, 2024 23:53:21 GMT
I always thought that John Bonham had that off beat feel. |
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