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Post by Buck on Mar 29, 2023 0:06:41 GMT
Funny, I always thought Veteran's music was Eric's and lyrics were 100% Moorcock. My assumption is that the music was 100% EB and the lyrics were 100% MM, but if that is the case - I was wondering if EB, whilst arranging and shaping the submitted lyrics to fit his music, added any lyrics himself in that process and thereby incurred a lyrical credit...? Murray Krugman, for example, seemed to pick up just such a credit for SOL, and that sad fact later came to put a wrench in BOC's AOF TV special, if you recall... Murray's clinging stubborn possession of "SOL" rights is unbecoming to his valid contribution to BOC in my view. "Veteran" lyric is Michael Moorcock. Recent Eric wordsmithing I like is "Tainted Blood." "Take Me Away" is probably the all time fav.
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Post by redhouserocker on Mar 29, 2023 0:35:24 GMT
Demon's Kiss is John Shirley. But Eric sang it! I stand corrected then....and I agree "Take me away" is my favorite confirmed Eric lyric! ☺️
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Post by frog on Mar 29, 2023 11:27:42 GMT
My assumption is that the music was 100% EB and the lyrics were 100% MM, but if that is the case - I was wondering if EB, whilst arranging and shaping the submitted lyrics to fit his music, added any lyrics himself in that process and thereby incurred a lyrical credit...? Murray Krugman, for example, seemed to pick up just such a credit for SOL, and that sad fact later came to put a wrench in BOC's AOF TV special, if you recall... Murray's clinging stubborn possession of "SOL" rights is unbecoming to his valid contribution to BOC in my view. "Veteran" lyric is Michael Moorcock. Recent Eric wordsmithing I like is "Tainted Blood." "Take Me Away" is probably the all time fav. I think it's a lot of fans' view too... and to answer the original question, yes, Take me Away.
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Post by duckbarman on Mar 29, 2023 18:12:18 GMT
Murray Krugman, for example, seemed to pick up just such a credit for SOL, and that sad fact later came to put a wrench in BOC's AOF TV special, if you recall... Murray's clinging stubborn possession of "SOL" rights is unbecoming to his valid contribution to BOC in my view. I remember what Joe said when he saw the credits for "Boorman The Chauffeur" on the expanded version of ST and noticed Murray's name: What's Murray's name doing on this song? I wrote the words and music. Murray only suggested the title. Eventually the title was morfed into a section of the song, but I was quite surprised when Murray's name ended up on the remastered version. To me it was no more than Pearlman's suggestion of the title of Hot Rails, and Sandy didn't claim credit.
Usually it's a trade off in songwriting credits. For most group efforts, being stingy with credits is not a big gain. That's why often someone who didn't do much with a song, just a minor cosmetic touch, ends up getting a credit. But you trade it off with generous credit on a bigger tune of yours. Unless the song becomes a huge hit, it's a fair deal.
But, "credit-encroaching" and all his subsequent sh*t-housery aside, I think BOC fans do owe a debt to Murray. As far as we know, he'd actually been instrumental in rejecting the band on two previous occasions - his influence was sufficiently strong enough that Columbia didn't follow up on their initial interest. However, because the May 71 demo that Pearlman submitted was more rocking than the previous ones, Krugman now decided that there might be enough raw material there which he might be able to shape and refine to suit the company's current requirements for a US HM band to compete with the English ones, so he personally schooled them and got them ready for their July audition and helped shape their new "direction". Here's what Murray said in the Popoff book: "Well, let's see. I was working at CBS at the time in the marketing department, but I was doing some producing and I had just had a lot of success with a Johnny Winter live record. And Sandy had brought me the band twice before, once as the Soft White Underbelly and once as Stalk-Forrest Group. They were sort of a west coast kind of band, you know like Jefferson Airplane, and I was looking for something more immediate, more harder-edged. So he brought the latest configuration and I liked that song Last Days Of May. They had a demo I think with Redeemed, The Last Days Of May, and The Red And The Black. And I felt that Last Days Of May was great. I had the leverage to sign them, so I did."In another interview Murray said: "And Sandy pushed and pushed and convinced me to listen to his band, which I did, and there was a cut - "Cities on Flame" - that I liked, although I ended up signing them for "Then Came the Last Days of May", which I thought was an exquisite piece of music." So you might say, we got BOC because Murray Krugman liked LDOM...
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Post by joe on Mar 30, 2023 1:39:51 GMT
> What's your favorite Eric Bloom lyric? I figured this would be a good exercise for me. Some of you remember some of the early history, but as a newcomer I gave up. Who contributed what on which song started becoming clear as mud. --- Some of this is a re-hash of what has already been posted ----- Here's about as close as I got. One source was the names given on the "old" BOC website. Then there is this from Wikipedia and there is no telling where they got their information or how accurate it is. No citations are given. According to their material it looks like most/all of the efforts were through collaboration. Collaboration can be any percentage either way, e.g. 10%/90% or 50/50. So who gets the "credit"? Outside workBloom is known for being an avid reader, especially science fiction and fantasy novels. He once sent a fan letter to English science-fiction author Michael Moorcock, and then collaborated with him on three songs. "Black Blade" was written from the point of view of Moorcock's Elric character, and the other two were "The Great Sun Jester" and "Veteran of the Psychic Wars", the latter of which was used in the original Heavy Metal movie. In 1987, Bloom and Moorcock performed the song live at the Dragon*Con convention in Atlanta, Georgia.[citation needed] Bloom also collaborated with author Eric Van Lustbader on the song "Shadow Warrior", and in 1998, 2001 and 2020 with cyberpunk author John Shirley on the Heaven Forbid', Curse of the Hidden Mirror and The Symbol Remains albums. {but it doesn't say which songs}
source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Bloom#Blue_%C3%96yster_Cult:_1972%E2%80%93present
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Post by javan on Mar 30, 2023 21:21:01 GMT
What's your favorite Eric Bloom lyric? 1. Eric's soliloquy in Dominance & Submission from ETL: Oh yeah! Here we are Poughkeepsie New York Yeah! Glad to see everybody here We are sold out to the maximum! We like coming up here once or twice a year We like comin' up here from New York City Because we know who gets serious about rock and roll Oh yeah! Alright. We're gonna sing this song now, it's called Dominance and Submission We want a little help from our friends We want a little help in singin' this. Here we go. :-> 2. Eric's epic RANT during Summer of Love in the 1976 Capitol Center show. Funny thing is, the 55 mph speed limit is gone and marijuana is now state-legal in many states (and Eric doesn't ride anymore nor, to my knowledge, does he get high).
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Post by Buck on Mar 31, 2023 0:27:00 GMT
What's your favorite Eric Bloom lyric? >2. Eric's epic RANT during Summer of Love in the 1976 Capitol Center show. Funny thing is, the 55 mph speed limit is gone and marijuana is now state-legal in many states (and Eric doesn't ride anymore nor, to my knowledge, does he get high). And Maryland, home of the now gone Cap Center, passed a referendum legalizing it last year. The federal speed limit, one of many missteps by government. An oppressive time for motorists. For traffic cops, shooting fish in a barrel.
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Post by joe on Mar 31, 2023 1:38:46 GMT
What's your favorite Eric Bloom lyric? <parts cut>2. Eric's epic RANT during Summer of Love in the 1976 Capitol Center show. Funny thing is, the 55 mph speed limit is gone and marijuana is now state-legal in many states (and Eric doesn't ride anymore nor, to my knowledge, does he get high). Is that the one where he said we have a new president and encouraged the audience to start writing letters?
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Post by javan on Mar 31, 2023 4:43:41 GMT
My grandfather's car had a buzzer that went off whenever he went over 55. Half the trip from L.A. to his "country home" at the old folks' community out in Murrieta was BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ. It was damned if we do (BZZZZZZZZZ) and damned if we don't ("Are we there yet? Are we there yet?). Hell for an 8 year old.
joe, yeah, you got it right. As I said, epic rant. Take out a pen and paper and write to Plains, Georgia. Mr. Kottah, I am sick and TIRED of bein' hassled on the way in to Blue Oyster Cult shows! (Ok, I ad-libbed a bit.)
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Post by joe on Apr 1, 2023 2:21:23 GMT
My grandfather's car had a buzzer that went off whenever he went over 55. Half the trip from L.A. to his "country home" at the old folks' community out in Murrieta was BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ. It was damned if we do (BZZZZZZZZZ) and damned if we don't ("Are we there yet? Are we there yet?). Hell for an 8 year old. joe, yeah, you got it right. As I said, epic rant. Take out a pen and paper and write to Plains, Georgia. Mr. Kottah, I am sick and TIRED of bein' hassled on the way in to Blue Oyster Cult shows! (Ok, I ad-libbed a bit.) Thanks on confirming which concert. My dad had one of those buzzers. Ripped out after the first trip. The state troopers AS A RULE didn't fool with people <10 MPH over on the highways. Sometimes a warning as a scare. One car I owned had a seat belt buzzer. Ripped that out, but I had a good reason to do such..... I was recently on a highway, if I'm remembering the right one, where the posted limit was 85. Yes, 85, which 85 is the highest in the US. But I remember it being on a different highway than what I looked up. Both are toll roads. (correction-Maybe I'm confused and was really on one that was 80 MPH, but that's still higher than the pre-55 limits.)
In either case both of these roads were on the way to a BOC concert.
BOC seems to have stayed away from politics from what I can tell. Wise move IMHO. Maybe some joking reference in some song or something, but normally nobody cares about little stuff like that. When Eric did his rant/speech, that was a TOTALLY different time and culture.
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Post by Buck on Apr 2, 2023 6:32:21 GMT
My grandfather's car had a buzzer that went off whenever he went over 55. Half the trip from L.A. to his "country home" at the old folks' community out in Murrieta was BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ. It was damned if we do (BZZZZZZZZZ) and damned if we don't ("Are we there yet? Are we there yet?). Hell for an 8 year old. joe, yeah, you got it right. As I said, epic rant. Take out a pen and paper and write to Plains, Georgia. Mr. Kottah, I am sick and TIRED of bein' hassled on the way in to Blue Oyster Cult shows! (Ok, I ad-libbed a bit.) Thanks on confirming which concert. My dad had one of those buzzers. Ripped out after the first trip. The state troopers AS A RULE didn't fool with people <10 MPH over on the highways. Sometimes a warning as a scare. One car I owned had a seat belt buzzer. Ripped that out, but I had a good reason to do such..... I was recently on a highway, if I'm remembering the right one, where the posted limit was 85. Yes, 85, which is the highest in the US. But I remember it being on a different highway than what I looked up. Both are toll roads. BOC seems to have stayed away from politics from what I can tell. Wise move IMHO. Maybe some joking reference in some song or something, but normally nobody cares about little stuff like that. When Eric did his rant/speech, that was a TOTALLY different time and culture. Ranting against the 1970's 55mph "eco" fed speed limit (unconstitutional in a strict reading, it's up to the states!) and pot legalization really isn't political in the sense you have to choose one of two awful sides to agree or disagree. I've been driving for 59 years, including about 1k miles on German Autobahns, before the creation of the EU and all the intra-EU truck traffic, and despite the immense improvement in automobile handling, braking and collision surviving in that time, speed limits haven't gone up that much from the pre-oil crisis limits. Government is NOT doing a good job currently IMO, wherever I look. Having THAT conversation would open up finger pointing, so I won't. But I bet there's not TOO much disagreement insofar what the entire vision of what government is supposed to be in the US of A, and increasingly intrusive regulation, and the priorities of justice. Rant off.
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Post by redhouserocker on Apr 2, 2023 16:23:52 GMT
Thanks on confirming which concert. My dad had one of those buzzers. Ripped out after the first trip. The state troopers AS A RULE didn't fool with people <10 MPH over on the highways. Sometimes a warning as a scare. One car I owned had a seat belt buzzer. Ripped that out, but I had a good reason to do such..... I was recently on a highway, if I'm remembering the right one, where the posted limit was 85. Yes, 85, which is the highest in the US. But I remember it being on a different highway than what I looked up. Both are toll roads. Ranting against the 1970's 55mph "eco" fed speed limit (unconstitutional in a strict reading, it's up to the states!) and pot legalization really isn't political in the sense you have to choose one of two awful sides to agree or disagree. I've been driving for 59 years, including about 1k miles on German Autobahns, before the creation of the EU and all the intra-EU truck traffic, and despite the immense improvement in automobile handling, braking and collision surviving in that time, speed limits haven't gone up that much from the pre-oil crisis limits. Government is NOT doing a good job currently IMO, wherever I look. Having THAT conversation would open up finger pointing, so I won't. But I bet there's not TOO much disagreement insofar what the entire vision of what government is supposed to be in the US of A, and increasingly intrusive regulation, and the priorities of justice. Rant off. Well said! Two terrible sides doing a terrible job! The only thing we seem to be getting out of govt is further erosion of rights and freedoms, increasing debt, and less safety from crime, war and the like. I wonder if it would be different if old "Ross" could've cracked the cabal back in the day.....
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Post by joe on Apr 4, 2023 2:36:17 GMT
Thanks on confirming which concert. My dad had one of those buzzers. Ripped out after the first trip. The state troopers AS A RULE didn't fool with people <10 MPH over on the highways. Sometimes a warning as a scare. One car I owned had a seat belt buzzer. Ripped that out, but I had a good reason to do such..... I was recently on a highway, if I'm remembering the right one, where the posted limit was 85. Yes, 85, which is the highest in the US. But I remember it being on a different highway than what I looked up. Both are toll roads. BOC seems to have stayed away from politics from what I can tell. Wise move IMHO. Maybe some joking reference in some song or something, but normally nobody cares about little stuff like that. When Eric did his rant/speech, that was a TOTALLY different time and culture. Ranting against the 1970's 55mph "eco" fed speed limit (unconstitutional in a strict reading, it's up to the states!) and pot legalization really isn't political in the sense you have to choose one of two awful sides to agree or disagree. I've been driving for 59 years, including about 1k miles on German Autobahns, before the creation of the EU and all the intra-EU truck traffic, and despite the immense improvement in automobile handling, braking and collision surviving in that time, speed limits haven't gone up that much from the pre-oil crisis limits. Government is NOT doing a good job currently IMO, wherever I look. Having THAT conversation would open up finger pointing, so I won't. But I bet there's not TOO much disagreement insofar what the entire vision of what government is supposed to be in the US of A, and increasingly intrusive regulation, and the priorities of justice. Rant off. We seem to see eye-to-eye on number of "such things". Speed limits really should be up to the states. What's appropriate for South Dakota, Texas, and other states with a lot of wide open spaces may not be appropriate at all for Maryland, New York, etc. I don't think there are any federal restrictions anymore. I've read that the 55 MPH thing really didn't accomplish the stated goals. Something around 1% overall fuel savings. Not worth the fuel used to replace hundreds if not thousands of speed limit signs. The gas rationing was really a lot more of an "problem" for many people in my opinion, but it wasn't around nearly as long as 55. I doubt that there was much effect there either. In 1973 I was focused on college and didn't pay that much attention to what the real effect of the oil crisis was. If a station ran out of gas, then obviously there was rationing by default at that station. Maybe that was more common than I realized. But long lines of cars with their engines running to top off their tanks with a few gallons for fear of what would happen the next day really seemed counter productive. Pot legalization - many states are deciding yes or no, but you still have the problem that it's classified by the DEA as a Schedule I controlled substance, with some exceptions for "medical marijuana" which I think contains only a couple of the hundreds of chemicals of a cannabis plant. So if a state legalizes it, it's still illegal under US federal law. But I don't see the feds prosecuting a couple of joints, but a lot of things are unpredictable right now. No matter what, there is still a legal disconnect. Some states have really increased their speed limits. I think Texas holds the record for one road that is 85. I've seen some 80 and 70/75 are really common. 60's are all over the place. Maybe decision making officials should be selected under a JURY DUTY type system rather than elections. Meet some minimum standards, let two opposing AI systems rule out most. Then be selected completely at random from that pool, serve your 2 or 4 years, then time for the next jury. Wonder how things would shake out after a few iterations??
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Post by soonerbillz on Apr 4, 2023 14:14:09 GMT
Well my first foray into the openAI universe was to ask if intelligent life exists on planets other than Earth. The response could have been written by a politician. Neither denial or affirmation was forthcoming but plenty of words, enough to fill a book chapter.
My 2nd foray was pretty straight forward but alas again the response was as oblique as the first. Obviously this thing really doesn't understand true greatness.
soonerbillz@**** Are the any intelligent life forms besides those on the planet earth
As an AI language model, I don't have access to definitive proof of extraterrestrial life, but it's certainly a topic that has fascinated people for centuries. The possibility of life existing beyond Earth is a subject of ongoing scientific research and speculation.
In recent years, there have been many discoveries that suggest the possibility of microbial life existing on other planets and moons in our own solar system. For example, scientists have found evidence of liquid water on Mars and on moons orbiting Jupiter and Saturn. In addition, the discovery of exoplanets (planets outside of our solar system) has become more common, with some of them being located in the habitable zones of their stars, where conditions might be suitable for life as we know it.
While there is no definitive evidence of intelligent extraterrestrial life, the vastness of the universe and the billions of potentially habitable planets it contains make it a distinct possibility. However, until concrete evidence is found, the question of whether or not there are other intelligent life forms in the universe remains a subject of debate and speculation.
soonerbillz@****** Why is Buck Dharma the greatest rock guitarist in the world
While Buck Dharma is certainly a talented guitarist and a respected figure in the world of rock music, whether or not he is the "greatest" rock guitarist in the world is a subjective matter of opinion. Different people have different tastes in music and different criteria for what makes a great guitarist.
That being said, Buck Dharma (born Donald Roeser) is best known as the lead guitarist and one of the founding members of the American rock band Blue Öyster Cult. He is known for his melodic solos, tasteful use of effects, and his ability to blend rock, blues, and jazz influences into his playing style. Many guitarists have cited him as an influence on their own playing, and his contributions to the development of rock music are widely recognized.
However, there are many other guitarists who could also be considered among the greatest in the world, including Jimi Hendrix, Eric Clapton, Jimmy Page, Eddie Van Halen, and many others. Ultimately, the question of who is the greatest rock guitarist is a matter of personal preference and opinion."
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Post by redhouserocker on Apr 4, 2023 16:38:14 GMT
Give it time...OAI will be running for congress, oh and counting the votes! Might be time to expat to some backwards 3rd world place with nice weather and no technological infrastructure.....If I can still access this forum, talk to my family, I could get used to fishing, beach bumming, and making a career proselytizing BOC to the 3rd world! 🤣😂🤣
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